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AIBU for feeling out of place with in-laws?

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twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 03:34

I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months and our upbringings were very different, I feel a bit out of place around my in laws as a result.

I’m from a very middle class family and from an area that’s considered disadvantaged. There’s roughly 500 houses spread between 13 different estates, most of the houses are council owned but there’s also a handful that are owned privately. My parents are one of those who own their house privately. Our estate is named after someone on hunger strike (Catholic area).

There’s been three murders and a handful of small crimes due to certain people living here, but I’ve only ever known the place as home and have had positive memories growing up here. In general, the area has a bad name and most people don’t go on and get a third level education so there’s government grants to encourage the newer generation to go to university.

Of course, there’s a stereotype about how we should talk and act as we live in the town but my own accent and demeanour couldn’t be further from it. Usually when I introduce myself and say where I’m from, people laugh because they think I’m joking! When I first met my boyfriends sister, she laughed, said “yeah right!” and then made a lighthearted joke about the area.

The unemployment level is high. My father worked all of his life until the recession and my mother became the main bread winner for the family. Once the economy started to open back up, my parents both agreed that my father would stay at home (unless he found a good job) because childcare costs for my younger sibling would’ve defeated the purpose of him working.

Once my sister became older and consequently my father, he became less desirable for employers and had every job application rejected. I remember being sixteen writing cover letters and helping him with several applications. He became depressed because he was from a time where you didn’t finish school but went out to work and was now unemployed longterm for the first time, while his sixteen year old daughter was working part-time. He’s now 60, still unemployed, but has more or less accepted he’s retired by default.

My boyfriends family are very well off from inherited wealth. By the sounds of things, his mothers family encouraged their daughters to marry into well-off families from a certain denomination (Protestant) and they did. His parents recently had their homes and land evaluated and they figure was above £1,000,000.

They sent their children to a private, Protestant boarding school and paid for each child to go to university (and their accomdation) so no child had to work until their twenties. My boyfriends currently doing a masters (works full-time), his brothers are pilots, and his sister is a child photographer with her own business. They’ve had absolutely everything handed to them on a silver spoon (his parents had the means to do this) and will each inherit a portion of their parents wealth.

I can’t speak for any of his siblings but I feel this had a negative effect on my boyfriend. He currently works in retail while doing his masters, and seems to have no real work ethic because it’s a “low skilled” job. He is focused on his studies, has good grades, and does spend time outside of his course building his portfolio for future employers. At times, he can be a bit entitled (without realising it) and I’m always bewildered by it. Growing up, I was always told that if there’s a bin i.e. McDonalds, you put your own rubbish into it and clear the table, whereas my boyfriend would leave his rubbish there because “people are paid” to clear up.

For context, I grew up Catholic and he grew up Protestant but neither of us actually practice either religion or identity with either denomination now. His parents are very much avid church goers and even tricked his sisters husband (Catholic) into weekly meetings with the local Protestant priest before they got married! All of the siblings are married but I don’t think any of them actually married Protestant. Whereas my own father loves rebel music, only steps foot into a church for either wedding or death, and my boyfriend never even knew what rebel music was until we met.

On the whole, they’ve been lovely and very welcoming of me, but I know they’re quick to snub the area I’m from and my boyfriend seems to overcompensate for this by telling them I’ve a degree and a good job. When I’ve met cousins and aunts, one of the first questions they ask is “you’re from X, aren’t you?” so I know it has been discussed privately. My own boyfriend passes no need but I feel my in-laws look down on me a bit for it.

As a result, I try to avoid his family get togethers as I end up feeling awkward around the older generation. AIBU?

OP posts:
LakieLady · 08/07/2023 07:43

If his family are judgmental about people's accents and what estate they come from, they are bigots and will probably never wholly accept you.

If your BF shares their attitudes, bin him off.

Janedoe82 · 08/07/2023 07:46

Haven’t read all the posts- but daughter of republican who hasn’t worked in years (due to ‘discrimination’ 🙄) and likes rebel songs (glorifying IRA) meets middle class church going prod….. it’s bound to end well …..

standardduck · 08/07/2023 07:46

It sounds like you are reading too much into this.

To me it reads like you are the one judging them for their privilege, or perhaps you feel self conscious about your own upbringing?

Either way, they seem welcoming and I think you are overreacting a bit.

You've been with your BF for such a short time, if you don't think it will work out because of your different values then end it now before it gets more serious.

Janedoe82 · 08/07/2023 07:47

It’s not the estate that is the problem- it’s the republicanism. And I am speaking from personal experience.

Sunnyfunnytimes · 08/07/2023 07:50

Goodness op. Calm down. You’ve been with him a few weeks, already calling them your in-laws and being all judgey about him and his family. Try to reign it in and calm yourself down.

DownNative · 08/07/2023 07:56

Additionally, you describe the area you come from as being council housing and your family as middle class because they bought their council house.

Again, this sounds like you have a hang up regarding status in relation to the people on the estate you grew up in. Usually, people identify a whole estate in similar terms to themselves.

Buying a council property doesn't necessarily make a family middle class.

Nevertheless, its clear to everyone in the thread you're very hung up on status. Others recognise your reverse snobbery. Others still detect sectarian attitudes in the mix as well.

The problem is you, basically.

billy1966 · 08/07/2023 08:00

I get the McDonald's thing too.

You are incompatible with him, more than his family.

You have a strong work ethic, he doesn't.

That is a huge fundamental difference between the two of you.

Don't ignore it.

Georgeandzippyzoo · 08/07/2023 08:03

redskyatnight99 · 08/07/2023 04:12

Wow you are worried if he leaves his food wrappers on a table??!!

Would be a real negative for me, height of ignorance and if he didn't change after me mentioning it i can honestly say there's probably other stuff that wouldn't sit well with me!

DownNative · 08/07/2023 08:19

Janedoe82 · 08/07/2023 07:47

It’s not the estate that is the problem- it’s the republicanism. And I am speaking from personal experience.

In one! Exactly this.

PrimalOwl10 · 08/07/2023 08:35

Tbh op you don't come across as middle class from what you describe, if anything your working class. I am too but I own it, it doesn't define me. Your childhood seems identical to mine. My parents are own their own home too mum worked dad was a sahd. Middle class tends to be 2 working professionals who can afford the additional extras. I think you need to just own it, you seem to be making of an issue out it then everyone else.

Made4Sunshine · 08/07/2023 09:14

Equalitea Yes you are right .I got that wrong , he's a Masai. They met when she was in Kenya.

Createausername1970 · 08/07/2023 09:29

If you like him as a person, then carry on seeing him.

If you see him doing entitled things, like not clearing his table, then pull him up on it - or lead by example.

Value your own heritage and be proud of it. It has made you who you are, and if he likes you, it won't matter.

Relationships from mixed backgrounds can be disastrous but they can also be very successful, it depends on the people in the relationship.

Lalabright23 · 08/07/2023 09:36

I think this is a 'know your worth' situation. Your home is your home. It doesn't matter if it's a deprived area or that your dad couldn't find employment after looking after your sister. Your mum worked hard to provide and your dad worked hard to raise his child. Be proud of where you come from and the person it's helped you become and hold your head high because you've absolutely nothing to be ashamed of or be made to feel less than as a result.

To me, the real question is whether or not you can accept that his family may very well look down their noses at you. It's not something you can change, and I wouldn't be going above and beyond to try and convince them you're 'worthy' (not saying this is what you're doing, but it's a trap people fall in to).

Is this relationship worth how his family makes you feel? Are his behaviours something you can look past? It's fairly early days in terms of you dating, so you may not have those answers yet, but it's worth having in the back of your mind.

It's really sad that divides like this exist, and I genuinely hate that someone's monetary worth seems override the fact they are good people - which is all that really matters at the end of the day.

FinallyHere · 08/07/2023 09:44

say she’d only love for her last son/baby of house to maybe marry a Protestant

Ah, but can yous make fifteens, @twodifferentbeans ?

Good luck to you, whatever happens.

In a similar sounding situation, my parents moved abroad to raise their family so although I recognise what you describe, it doesn't have any true reality for me.

I'm so sorry it appears not to have changed over the last decades since they decided to move.

Such wasted potential.

MRex · 08/07/2023 09:55

These aren't your in-laws, and barring a few possible comments about your area have done nothing wrong. It is quite common for people to comment about areas, so that's a tricky one for you to take so personally as some sort of indictment on your parents. It actually sounds like they've tried to be welcoming despite the brevity of your relationship, and it's sad you aren't able to appreciate that.

The issue is that you are contemptuous of your boyfriend's job, hyper critical of his family and their choices, and picky about small behaviours. It's only been a few months, time to pop this one back and try again to find someone. When it's the right person, you really won't be inspired to do this sort of nitpicking.

DownNative · 08/07/2023 10:05

Lalabright23 · 08/07/2023 09:36

I think this is a 'know your worth' situation. Your home is your home. It doesn't matter if it's a deprived area or that your dad couldn't find employment after looking after your sister. Your mum worked hard to provide and your dad worked hard to raise his child. Be proud of where you come from and the person it's helped you become and hold your head high because you've absolutely nothing to be ashamed of or be made to feel less than as a result.

To me, the real question is whether or not you can accept that his family may very well look down their noses at you. It's not something you can change, and I wouldn't be going above and beyond to try and convince them you're 'worthy' (not saying this is what you're doing, but it's a trap people fall in to).

Is this relationship worth how his family makes you feel? Are his behaviours something you can look past? It's fairly early days in terms of you dating, so you may not have those answers yet, but it's worth having in the back of your mind.

It's really sad that divides like this exist, and I genuinely hate that someone's monetary worth seems override the fact they are good people - which is all that really matters at the end of the day.

From the OPs posts, it's not about whether her boyfriend's family judge others according to monetary worth at all.

This is really about politics rather than class or religious background. In other words, OP is from an Irish Republican background which traditionally believes physical force aka terrorism is legitimate. Hence their reference to their childhood estate being named after a PSF/PIRA terrorist who was a hungerstriker.

For many people, this kind of background and continuing belief is a dealbreaker since most do not support or accept physical force republicanism or loyalism as legitimate or democratic.

This kind of thing does not suit a general "be proud of your heritage!" type of banal rhetoric since that kind of ideology has been a major issue on both sides of the Irish border. Especially in Northern Ireland.

OP clearly feels insecure about the Republican background they come from which isn't surprising.

But that is their issue they're transferring onto their boyfriend's family. Better for them to distance themselves from Republicanism but that's not going to happen.

So, they've one option then - accept most people will have a problem with it, including boyfriend's family. And it is legitimate to have a problem with Irish Republicanism which is not the same as Republicanism found elsewhere in Europe or North America.

AppropriateAdult · 08/07/2023 10:19

Just to point out, the OP has been in a relationship for seven months, not the 'few weeks' that some people are scoffing at. So not at all unreasonable to be taking it somewhat seriously at this stage.

I don't think any of this sounds doomed, OP - the McDonalds thing would certainly bother me, but it sounds like he was open to criticism of that and the issue around different types of work? Which is a positive thing. As for the family comments, this is just age-old NI/border county stuff which I think can be hard for people outside Ireland to fully appreciate. If you really like him - and it sounds like you do - I'd try to let it roll off your back.

Coolhwip · 08/07/2023 10:20

@AppropriateAdult eh? The first line of the OP is I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 10:26

DownNative · 08/07/2023 10:05

From the OPs posts, it's not about whether her boyfriend's family judge others according to monetary worth at all.

This is really about politics rather than class or religious background. In other words, OP is from an Irish Republican background which traditionally believes physical force aka terrorism is legitimate. Hence their reference to their childhood estate being named after a PSF/PIRA terrorist who was a hungerstriker.

For many people, this kind of background and continuing belief is a dealbreaker since most do not support or accept physical force republicanism or loyalism as legitimate or democratic.

This kind of thing does not suit a general "be proud of your heritage!" type of banal rhetoric since that kind of ideology has been a major issue on both sides of the Irish border. Especially in Northern Ireland.

OP clearly feels insecure about the Republican background they come from which isn't surprising.

But that is their issue they're transferring onto their boyfriend's family. Better for them to distance themselves from Republicanism but that's not going to happen.

So, they've one option then - accept most people will have a problem with it, including boyfriend's family. And it is legitimate to have a problem with Irish Republicanism which is not the same as Republicanism found elsewhere in Europe or North America.

I grew up in a Catholic household and my boyfriend grew up in a Protestant household. Neither of us believe in either religion and haven’t identified with either in over 10+ years. Of course, we’ve chatted about our views on religion and are very much on the same page about or beliefs; something out there but unsure what.

Personally, I don’t agree with the Catholic church for various reasons i.e. the sexual abuse and baby homes. My mum was born in the UK and her parents weren’t as religious as my fathers who were devout Catholics, my grandfather being a pioneer is whole life. Neither of my parents pay any heed to the Catholic church and only attend church when they have too. Both believe, like myself, something is out there but they’re quite sure if Catholicsm is exactly that.

My dad listens to rebel music because he enjoys it, not because he is a big IRA man. The point I was trying to make here is my boyfriend had never even heard those songs (and they’re huge on nights out here) and doesn’t really know much about Ireland’s fight for independence, which I was taught in school, we were in Belfast and there was a mural of Bobby Sands and he asked who he was. None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI (mainly NI based but WFH).

His mother asked was I a Catholic because of the area I’m from (street name) and I was open about my beliefs, stating I didn’t identity with any denomination. She then said they were Protestants, which, I was aware of, and told me a bit about their religion and I listened. As explained, she did want her children to marry Protestants and none have, they all live at a distance so it’s never really a hot topic and the one partner (sisters husband) who does live nearby was told he had to have weekly meetings with the local priest before they married.

His parents are closer to my grandparents age and his kids are the newer generation, similar to myself, that don’t have any real religious bearing

OP posts:
twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 10:27

Coolhwip · 08/07/2023 10:20

@AppropriateAdult eh? The first line of the OP is I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months

Yes, since December, I wrote this rather early in the morning so apologies for not having the wording perfect. We’ve also known each other for several years due to mutual friends.

OP posts:
AppropriateAdult · 08/07/2023 10:28

Coolhwip · 08/07/2023 10:20

@AppropriateAdult eh? The first line of the OP is I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months

Yeah, but she later clarifies - twice - that they've been together since December. 'A couple' is often used in Ireland to mean a vague 'few' rather than two.

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 10:28

PrimalOwl10 · 08/07/2023 08:35

Tbh op you don't come across as middle class from what you describe, if anything your working class. I am too but I own it, it doesn't define me. Your childhood seems identical to mine. My parents are own their own home too mum worked dad was a sahd. Middle class tends to be 2 working professionals who can afford the additional extras. I think you need to just own it, you seem to be making of an issue out it then everyone else.

Oh absolutely very much working class and not middle class (apologies, I was half asleep writing it)!

OP posts:
BlueKaftan · 08/07/2023 10:29

They’re not your in-laws.

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 10:30

BlueKaftan · 08/07/2023 10:29

They’re not your in-laws.

I’ve also clarified I am aware of this

OP posts:
BeverlyHa · 08/07/2023 10:31

Sounds like the perfect love story....:)
get married with the boy, love him if you do, enjoy the wealth ( without turning your kids into spoiled people ) and the rest is just steam and vape as the Bible says.

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