When will climate change start affecting how much we can travel and where will be inaccessible soon?

[ohwhatafunday]

I have not done half the travelling I wanted to do, mostly due to illness during my twenties. But always hoped I could do more travelling over the years as and when I could manage, that there wouldn't be a hard stop.

With climate change I think some places will be unavailable to visit as a tourist relatively soon, like Fiji.

Where would you prioritise seeing in the next 10 or so years?

And when will air travel become prohibitively expensive or otherwise inaccessible to the average joe?

Obviously, this is very much a first world problem (actually not even a problem, just a consideration in terms of thinking and planning) and it clearly doesn't actually matter if I don't get to see other places in the world.

I’ve never flown at all, don’t own a car and never have. I do have 2 children though

Re trains in Europe. They are great and affordable. I always use public transport when there.
However, I am not willing to spend more to get myself just to London to get to Eurostar than retirn flight costs me

Ok and? I was answering the question about flying Vs children. You can’t undo the decision to have children; you can stop flying anytime, and particularly deliberately flying to places that will become no-go areas due to climate change, a sort of fly-by rich person trolling.

Of course I had my kids because it suited me to do so. What a strange gotcha. I often wish I had not, because I’ve brought them into a world with such a horrific future.

Yep. We should always be able to go where we want to.

Sorry but it's not the same.

OP is actively seeking out holidays to places damaged or soon tool be damaged by climate change caused in part by such holidays. That is literally her filter for where to go. That is somewhat crass.

If the only people allowed to call out environmentally dubious behaviours or show they care about global warming are those who have zero negative impact on the planet, that leaves... No one.

Also if everyone stopped having kids humanity would be absolutely fucked. If everyone stopped flying, we wouldn't.

However I would rather everyone in this thread complaining about OP was lobbying Rishi Sunak and joining Just Stop Oil as it's clear OP isn't changing her mind and they can have more impact doing those things.

Tell that to the billions of people outside of the privileged West who will never be able to afford a single flight in their lifetimes 👍

OP is actively seeking out holidays to places damaged or soon tool be damaged by climate change caused in part by such holidays. That is literally her filter for where to go. That is somewhat crass.

Nope.

The filter to where to go is not "damaged of soon tool (sic) be damaged by climate change" for the sake of it. That is genuinely not the point.

The point is that the window to see certain places is shrinking. Soon it will only be the preserve of the super rich. And yes, some places will be under water and nobody will be able to go.

You think it is wrong and crass to want to see places before it is not possible to visit anymore, okay whatever. I don't feel the same.

My visiting a place will realistically not make any difference to what happens.

My carbon footprint is still smaller than yours if you have kids. But somehow your moral compass makes you froth at the idea of me getting on a plane, because you deem it frivolous or unimportant.

As opposed to your profound and solemn decision to reproduce with wild abandon. Ok then.

Your carbon footprint is only smaller if you import the footprint of the child into the adults footprint. What sort of logic is that?

Until I read this thread I wasn't aware you can carbon offset your flights by not having children.

I don't have children and spend most of my holidays cycling and camping in Wales.

Off now to burn down 2sq km of the Amazon to use up my credit.

The kind of logic that has stated for years now that the worst thing to do for the environment is having children?

See also - pets. Dogs use a surprising amount of resources!

And yes, I know, dogs and children are not the same. I don't have pets either.

My visiting a place will realistically not make any difference to what happens.

Said everyone who ever set fire to the planet and pissed amongst the ruins.

I hope you enjoy the camping and cycling, as well as the arson.

I would love to climb Snowdon someday.

I'm hoping that, in the not to distant future, AI will be able to give me a fully immersive experience of anywhere I choose- and I won't even need to leave the house, let alone board a flight.

Brancaster floods at high tide quite often, you can get your climate crisis tourism fix in the UK without hopping on a flight.

Determined to miss the point, I see.

It's really not about a climate crisis tourism fix.

I would love this!

Is this being worked on currently? How amazing.

You want to see the places in the world that soon won’t be accessible due to climate change, what else is it but a climate crisis tourism fix? You could try Fairbourne in Wales. Is it floods you’re after, or wildfires?

Glaciers- we already have RainbowMountain inPeru ...

The Netherlands and other areas that are below sea level.

I’m from New Zealand, since January 2023 the North Island has had 4 severe floods, I.e. deaths, entire towns destroyed, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t know someone whose house was substantially damaged in one of the 4 floods. Come visit while you can :)

So you keep saying, but it is factually wrong: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/jul/19/carbon-calculator-how-taking-one-flight-emits-as-much-as-many-people-do-in-a-year

To me this just smacks of the selfishness that’s got the human race into this mess in the first place.

Why do you think you have the right to visit all these places? It’s such an odd notion to me. There’s some remnants of colonialism in the thinking that places exist for your pleasure. They are in essence there for the taking. There for the using. There for the stomping over. It’s alien to me.

There’s some remnants of colonialism in the thinking that places exist for your pleasure.

I am not British, and my home country suffered immensely under British colonialism. I lived in the UK for a decade though and really enjoyed my time there.

Trying to visit as many countries as possible. We're not in this life for long. I would like to go to Australia, Japan, Indonesia to name a few countries.

Carbon emissions mean nothing then?