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OFSTED spoke to DD alone

234 replies

Ineedsleepnotsugar · 06/07/2023 22:31

Why the need to speak to her on her own in a separate room? How is this justified? I dont see the need for it and it matthews me feel uncomfortable.
Dd is 6.
She said the inspector asked her to read a book to her and then asked her time table as. And also asked her if she liked her school.

OP posts:
PurpleWisteria1 · 07/07/2023 00:01

Ineedsleepnotsugar · 06/07/2023 22:54

I don't mind that she had to read or do the timestables.

Nor is this about how I view my parenting.
It is possible that she has relayed the information back wrong.

Where have you got the idea that they are not alone with an adult 1:1? This happens all day every day with various kids for various reasons with members of staff!

EmmiJay · 07/07/2023 00:13

Many moons ago, I was twice followed around for a day by OFSTED. The teachers asked me, and I passed the message on to my mum, who was happy for it to happen. I was 8 and 14, I think. I get you think they should have consulted with you, but its a generally harmless interaction.😬

pastypirate · 07/07/2023 00:18

Yanbu. I really wouldn't like it. My dds are older now and could decide themselves. At 6 they would have agreed but like the op I don't think that's consent.

The only outside agency that can suspend parental consent and see a child without notice and without parental consent is a social worker/police officer conducting a section 47 investigation (risk if significant harm) or if the child is already subject to a child protection plan.

Mulhollandmagoo · 07/07/2023 00:28

Irrespective of what other people think, if it's something that's made you uneasy, then clarify it with school, I'd hazard a guess though that she wasn't in a room alone with an Ofsted inspector, she was maybe at the back of the classroom, or in the hall/reception with other staff around.

Vitriolinsanity · 07/07/2023 00:32

Perhaps they identified your child as a total grooming opportunity, I mean that's the absolute whole point of an Ofsted inspection right?

Sittingonasale · 07/07/2023 00:50

queenofthebongo · 06/07/2023 22:57

It's fine to be in a room with windows in the door when others know they are there. Do you not think 2 strangers would be more intimidating for a 6 year old?

Oh, well that's my literacy and numeracy intervention groups out of the window then!
All classrooms have windows in and even smaller intervention/meeting rooms do. I have never been in a classroom without a window which shows someone looking in a clear view of the inside. I would not work in a room which did not have one and I doubt any other members of staff would.
I much prefer to keep the door open but this is impossible with a busy corridor of noisy kids walking up and down. It's totally impractical and distracting for the kids who dearly need these interventions.
I always make sure I and the child can be well seen from outside and not hidden from view. All other members of staff know I do interventions here.
How on earth do you think music teachers teach their pupils for instance or private tutors?

With the state of some schools today, I'd be much more concerned about OFSTED actually doing a proper inspection. Many schools are WAY overdue including my own.

Hankunamatata · 07/07/2023 01:00

Eh my children are often alone with the 1:1 support assistant or teacher.

7eleven · 07/07/2023 01:01

Under no circumstances approach exhausted, stressed staff, who have had to endure OFSTED in July, about this absolute non issue. You will be held in complete disdain for the entire time you are involved in the school.

Underminer · 07/07/2023 01:15

Has anyone advised op to call 101 yet?

JohnOgloat · 07/07/2023 01:55

mousemosaic · 06/07/2023 22:34

Their DBS checked and highly vetted as they work for the government. YABU, hugely. They’ll have been wanting to speak to her separately and will have spoken to a few children of different ages to see what the children think of the school. Your daughter’s teacher, and more importantly your daughter, will have consented to this.

"As they work for the government" - that's meant to reassure the OP?

I'm with you OP, it shouldn't be one rule for them and one for everyone else.

ChekhovsMum · 07/07/2023 03:07

Standard school practice in most schools is not ‘never to be alone with a child’. That’s a fallacy. Standard practice is to make sure that if you are alone with a child, people can still walk past and see in easily, eg with a glass viewing panel or an open door. The odd student who’s had real issues or accused someone of something in the past, you might be asked never to be alone with, to protect yourself from false accusation. But if teachers and adults can’t be alone with kids, there are some crucial conversations that might never happen.

Paulisexcluded · 07/07/2023 03:55

I agree, 1:1 in a closed room is not necessary.

tidalway · 07/07/2023 04:26

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MorvernRowan · 07/07/2023 04:39

One of my kids was chosen by OFSTED to chat about her school experiences. The school was awful (we and others eventually moved school). I asked if they'd told the inspector about her experiences, DD said no, as one of the older kids, who was a bully, had kicked her under the table when she started to answer the questions and she felt she couldn't speak out.
The school was rated outstanding, I suspect if the kids had been allowed solo interviews, the rating would have been different .

SD1978 · 07/07/2023 04:40

You're wrong if you think a child is never alone with a teacher- they didn't sneak her into a supply cupboard- they asked her questions in order to gauge the responses of a random child during their inspection. Your child wasn't personally being assessed as suck, but as to what their standard was- and multiple students most likely were.

AxolotlOnions · 07/07/2023 07:03

Callyem · 06/07/2023 22:58

There is a HUGE difference in the two scenarios. Safeguarding questioning and reading with an adult are NOT the same.

you're right, I was just catastrophising! But reading is usually done within sight of the classroom, is it? And that's part of the curriculum, I don't see how talking with an OFSTED inspector is in any way a usual part of the school day, therefore parents need to be asked in advance. I was always told that parents should be notified if an outside agency wishes to speak with their child.

AxolotlOnions · 07/07/2023 07:09

toomuchlaundry · 06/07/2023 23:01

@AxolotlOnions what do you think the Inspector was asking?

As a governor I would ask pupils questions, similar probably to those asked by the inspector. I’m sure their parents weren’t told before I chatted with them

It doesn't matter what he was asking, he is not part of school staff and his questioning was not part of the regular school day so parents should have been notified and permission sought. .

Inspectors talking to pupils on inspection - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) "This does not mean that individual pupils are required to speak to inspectors. Neither the school nor inspectors can compel pupils to give their views to inspectors if they or their parents refuse permission." OP did not give permission, OP wasn't even asked. .

Inspectors talking to pupils on inspection

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/inspectors-talking-to-pupils-on-inspection/inspectors-talking-to-pupils-on-inspection

toomuchlaundry · 07/07/2023 07:40

Parents will have been notified of the inspection the day before the inspector arrived, so then is the time for a parent to say they don’t want their child questioned

HurricanesHardlyEverHappen · 07/07/2023 08:05

I've been teaching for twenty five years and I would never deliberately put myself in a position where I was in a room with one child.

Of course, sometimes it might happen. But automatically you try to avoid it. For things like pupil voice I would take two or three children. Or you would talk to them in a corridor.

Yesterday we went outside for PE and as soon as we got out one of mine needed the toilet, even though they had just been, so I asked around to see if anyone else wanted to go solely so I wouldn't have one child. It's just what you do.

ThanksItHasPockets · 07/07/2023 08:09

Ineedsleepnotsugar · 06/07/2023 22:51

Maybe im annoyed that OFSTED think that 'rules' don't apply to them. ( school staff would not put themselves in 1:1 situation with a child in a closed room)

Don’t be ridiculous. Of course school staff have to be 1:1 sometimes. How do you think they conduct interventions or testing? There are children who need intimate care and are entitled to privacy for this.

ThanksItHasPockets · 07/07/2023 08:13

AxolotlOnions · 07/07/2023 07:09

It doesn't matter what he was asking, he is not part of school staff and his questioning was not part of the regular school day so parents should have been notified and permission sought. .

Inspectors talking to pupils on inspection - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) "This does not mean that individual pupils are required to speak to inspectors. Neither the school nor inspectors can compel pupils to give their views to inspectors if they or their parents refuse permission." OP did not give permission, OP wasn't even asked. .

Did you continue reading after that paragraph?

”However, it is important that pupils are able to express their views freely to inspectors. Therefore, schools must provide opportunities for inspectors to speak to pupils with no other adults present.”

OFSTED spoke to DD alone
Needmorelego · 07/07/2023 08:18

I doubt a 6 year old knows what an “ofsted inspector” is.
They were probably just told “This is Miss Sarah. She’s going to listen to you read today and do a little bit of maths”.
Half the class were probably asking “Can I go/Is it my turn yet”.
This would have been another one if the many many adults who work and teach in schools.
Children do 1 - 1 learning all the time.
How do you think Reading Recovery sessions take place? Or Art/Music/Lego Therapy sessions. Or OT sessions? SALT Sessions?
No wonder teachers are striking. It’s getting ridiculous.

brunettemic · 07/07/2023 08:21

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest you’re one of those MNers that don’t open the front door.

rwalker · 07/07/2023 08:22

What an earth have we come to when stuff line this is an issue

Tgirl19 · 07/07/2023 08:22

They definitely will have spoken to other children too, just probably not at the same time as children that young can be influenced by what the other children around them say. It’s very usual to be asked to read to them and questioned about how they select their reading and how the school supports reading.
Many school staff would never allow themselves to be 1-1 with a child in a closed room, but it isn’t a ‘rule’ at most schools- just an unwritten one.

I would complain to OFSTED- the more people that tell them they aren’t got for purpose, the better!