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OFSTED spoke to DD alone

234 replies

Ineedsleepnotsugar · 06/07/2023 22:31

Why the need to speak to her on her own in a separate room? How is this justified? I dont see the need for it and it matthews me feel uncomfortable.
Dd is 6.
She said the inspector asked her to read a book to her and then asked her time table as. And also asked her if she liked her school.

OP posts:
AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 09/07/2023 07:12

FoodFann · 08/07/2023 21:04

OP you are correct - no adult should be alone with a child. End of story.

Right, so when a child hasn't left the class or toilet or corner of the playground due to an asthma attack / meltdown / seizure / broken leg, I won't go to help until I can find another adult or child to go with me?

Thegoodbadandugly · 09/07/2023 13:35

FoodFann · 08/07/2023 21:04

OP you are correct - no adult should be alone with a child. End of story.

Really? What scares you about it? Schools would never work the way you think, how do you think Sen children go on with a 1-1 say for instance they have a meltdown need about of time out in the fresh air? If time in a room on their own so they are in a quiet space? You are being ridiculous.

LlynTegid · 09/07/2023 13:51

If this is a normal OFSTED practice (probably is and can see why), then I think that parents should have the option of saying no to their child being chosen. How to ensure this in a practical way, I am not sure.

Isitthathardtobekind · 09/07/2023 17:16

@Qilin ours was the same with groups in corridors, although we were asked not to stay.

Pebstk · 09/07/2023 17:55

Seriously!

Lucyh999 · 10/07/2023 09:15

Ineedsleepnotsugar · 06/07/2023 22:49

I don't see the point of it. Standard school practice is to never be alone with a child. If they felt dd would be influenced by the presence of the teacher then it would be better for two inspectors to be in the room.

Dd is 6 - hardly old enough to 'consent'.

You might not see the point of it but it is standard practice that forms part of any assessment.

Nordicrain · 10/07/2023 09:17

I think this is a very weird thing to be annoyed about. I don't get this thing in society these days where everyone, especailly men, are almost definitely sexual predators.

Nordicrain · 10/07/2023 09:17

LlynTegid · 09/07/2023 13:51

If this is a normal OFSTED practice (probably is and can see why), then I think that parents should have the option of saying no to their child being chosen. How to ensure this in a practical way, I am not sure.

Why?

toomuchlaundry · 10/07/2023 09:38

Small schools don’t always have 2 inspectors for the whole visit, so not always possible to have 2 inspectors in the room

toomuchlaundry · 10/07/2023 09:40

When parents are notified that OFSTED are coming they can tell school that they don’t want their child being asked questions by the inspector. However, you can’t stop the child speaking to the inspector. They may see the inspector as a trusted adult who they may want to share a safeguarding concern with

tidalway · 10/07/2023 15:56

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Tr1beca · 10/07/2023 16:58

It isn’t standard school practice to never be alone with a child.

It’s standard to not be alone for intimate care and if you haven’t gone through the checking procedures but other than that it is not an issue.

LlynTegid · 10/07/2023 17:14

@Nordicrain I think that whilst a school cannot object or refuse an Ofsted inspection, given that there are some/many who object to the process for various reasons, a parent should be able to ask their child opts out of one to one interviews. A bit akin to withdrawal from collective worship where it occurs.

Watsername · 10/07/2023 17:36

I am a TA - I am often 1:1 with children. It’s commonplace. However, I would make sure I was clearly visible if someone looked through the window in the door.

paulthepython · 10/07/2023 21:01

As opposed to asking her these questions under the eye of the people who she is commenting upon? Imagine if she was being treated poorly at school by teaching staff and hadn't said anything to you - wouldn't you want her to have a safe space in which to express this? If that's not happening then that's great, she's going to give a positive response and no one needs to worry. Are you concerned about any member of education staff being alone with her? Because that likely happens on a regular basis. Ofsted inspectors are civil servants and checked more closely than the teachers. Many teachers aren't even on the update service and go years between dbs checks - it's a requirement for ofsted to be current at all times.

Spanielsarepainless · 10/07/2023 21:31

This happened to me - but 55 years ago.

Mrspopper · 10/07/2023 21:37

Ofsted read with children to ensure books are correctly matched to their reading ability. They talk to children about their experience of school to reflect voice of child. If a child didn’t want to read with them or talk they wouldn’t make them.

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 22:54

Are people so ridiculously trusting of people in authority to say that abuse from adults doesn't happen in school, hospitals and by people that have been "vetted". They should absolutely have two people in the room and also it's completely ridiculous to put a pic year old on the spot assessing their reading skills. You are NOT unreasonable for thinking this is weird to isolate your child one to one with an unknown adult.

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 22:57

An emergency situation where you will then need to raise the alarm and get medical help for that child is a completely different scenario than a stranger visiting the school isolating a pupil on their own. What does it teach kids to say it's ok to leave the group with someone they have just met and know nothing about? Not good practice even if it is above board. This should be challenged.

Onelifeonly · 10/07/2023 22:58

I'd be surprised if they were alone in a room with your dd without a familiar adult present. We've been told inspectors will observe a child reading to an adult they know.

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 23:00

Nordicrain · 10/07/2023 09:17

Why?

Why? Because your child is not government property.

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 23:02

blackbeardsballsack · 06/07/2023 22:53

Do you just want schools to not be inspected and regulated to ensure that they are meeting children's needs then?

Or just for ofsted to magically guess? Or just to speak to other children, just not yours?

She wants them to be inspected in a way that's actually beneficial and productive. Her daughter obviously didn't think it felt very nice being questioned one to one by the inspector otherwise she wouldn't have raised the concern here.

toomuchlaundry · 10/07/2023 23:04

@Cocolebombom the OP said her DD wasn’t upset

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 23:07

melj1213 · 06/07/2023 22:58

So what do you mind? The 1:1?

Anyone working in a school, especially OFSTED are going to make sure that any 1:1 work is done by the book

Your DD may only have noticed that she went to a different room alone with the inspector, what she won't have noticed, as she's 6, is that the room they were in had windows out to a busy corridor across from the office where the receptionist could see in for the whole interview and had a glass door that was most probably open anyway ... Or they've gone to a communal space like a hallway/library etc where they could have enough "privacy" for them to have a conversation without being overheard but it is public enough for them to be in view at all times.

But if it made the child uncomfortable then it's not good practice. They need to find a way to evaluate the school without kids being uncomfortable.

Cocolebombom · 10/07/2023 23:13

FeelingwearyFeeelingsmall · 06/07/2023 23:09

It's perfectly normal. Ofsted always do this to a few students. Quite often the students comments get quoted in the full report. In a way it's a compliment to your DD as when I worked at a school we'd always try to make sure that the inspectors got to chat with our brightest and best.

Ofsted inspectors are fully trained in working with students one to one. Anyone passing will have been able to see into the room, either through a window or an open door.

"our brightest and best" this sums up what's wrong with teachers and schools. What a way to look at your students. Quite disgusting really, and a common outlook amongst schools.