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To not work full time?

951 replies

Lazym · 04/07/2023 11:03

I have two children 16 and 12. Since my oldest turned 7 months I have worked part time. I cleaned in the evening for 8 years and for last 7 1/2 years I've worked in a supermarket 4 mornings a week, 4 - 8. Obviously when kids were younger this worked out well as I was back home for the school run and partner went to work. My youngest started secondary in September, so now childcare costs aren't an issue I've had comments from partner about finding a full time job. My point is I enjoy my job and am good at it so why should I leave this job to potentially start a job I could hate? The job I have doesn't have full time hours. I contribute to the household financially, pay for two weeks of food shopping every month and pretty much pay for all of the kids needs/clothes. One example, just spent £200 on my lad for his prom, partner paid nothing. So I work and do the usual household chores cook, clean, washing etc. Partner is very money obsessed, but I feel I pay my way too. From when they were very young he's always swanned off and done his own thing, leaving me to it. Another issue with working full time is my lad will be starting college in sept and he'll need a lift to the train station which is 6 miles away and collecting, so how am I supposed to do that? Just needed an opinion. Can never reason with partner as he's never wrong.

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Naunet · 04/07/2023 17:03

Lazym · 04/07/2023 16:05

This includes child benefit and the mortgage is not very high.

Well you shouldn’t be paying a penny towards his house anyway.

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:04

StormShadow · 04/07/2023 17:01

That at least is true, but very little else you've written recently is.

So tell me how marriage is ‘protection’ when you live in a rental or council house? And how does it work if your house is down sh*t street and worth less then £200k and by the time you’ve divorced you still have £150k left on the mortgage to pay?

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:04

speluncean · 04/07/2023 16:57

@Mumtothreegirlies you are wrong. If e op was to be married, apart from anything else the house would be a joint marital asset.

Please stop. You are giving legally incorrect advice.

This. ^ The hideously incorrect information and 'advice' @Mumtothreegirlies is giving is both giving me the rage AND worrying me. I am worried some women on here will believe her utter bullshit. The 'advice 'is very damaging.

Naunet · 04/07/2023 17:05

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 16:23

Marriage is just a bit of paper it means absolutely nothing, especially when your man doesn’t have a pot to piss in.

And the stupidity continues. I give up, women are their own worst enemies.

ItsBarbieBitchhhh · 04/07/2023 17:05

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:04

So tell me how marriage is ‘protection’ when you live in a rental or council house? And how does it work if your house is down sh*t street and worth less then £200k and by the time you’ve divorced you still have £150k left on the mortgage to pay?

This is a great question

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:05

Oh FFS @Mumtothreegirlies being married isn't just about getting dibs on a fucking massive house! Hmm Stop talking utter drivel! I am ignoring you now. You are talking SUCH NONSENSE!

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:05

Me too @PurpleButterflyWings

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:06

My house is worth less than 200k. It's not down shit street though. What a disgusting thing to say.

Cosycover · 04/07/2023 17:06

I'd keep the job I liked and maybe pick up a few hours in another job? What about something from home?

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:06
So It Begins Helms Deep GIF by Giphy QA

Oh God even @ItsBarbieBitchhhh is being reeled in now.

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:06

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:02

@Mumtothreegirlies I never said anyone could.

However, marriage provides protections way beyond just being a piece of paper.

Please can you stop posting incorrect advice.

The correct advise would be to tell OP to make sure her name is on that house. Not to tell OP to get married.

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:07

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:06

My house is worth less than 200k. It's not down shit street though. What a disgusting thing to say.

OMG, I missed that. She seriously said a house worth less than £200K is going to be shit, and in a shit area?! Hmm She goes from bad to worse!

ItsBarbieBitchhhh · 04/07/2023 17:08

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:06

Oh God even @ItsBarbieBitchhhh is being reeled in now.

I understand that MN is a discussion forum but it really is interesting to see people going back and forth for AGES. Don’t you have anything better to do?!😂

I made one comment now you want to go back and forth with me. I don’t have time for that sorry!

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:08

If you're married or in a civil partnership, you're able automatically take over the tenancy if your partner dies if you're in a council house (in most areas - I can't speak for all). This doesn't apply if you're not married or in a civil partnership.

StormShadow · 04/07/2023 17:09

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:04

So tell me how marriage is ‘protection’ when you live in a rental or council house? And how does it work if your house is down sh*t street and worth less then £200k and by the time you’ve divorced you still have £150k left on the mortgage to pay?

This is such a self own. You clearly think marriage doesn't provide protection in these circumstances. It does!

When your partner has a council or HA tenancy, marrying them gives you more rights. the tenancy is treated sort of like an asset of the marriage and the court can make an order that it goes to one partner on that basis. Even if that spouse weren't the one who had the tenancy first.

Shelter have good info about this.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/relationship_breakdown/housing_rights_of_married_sole_tenants

For homeowners, when a couple are married and divorce, that 50k equity is an asset of the marriage and can be split even if only one of them owns it (incidentally, my house is worth about 200k, love the shit street comment). Whereas when they're not married and only one owns it, like in OPs case, the only option to try and get a share of the equity is an expensive TOLATA claim with strict conditions. Good luck with that one if you've only got 50k equity.

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Housing rights of married sole tenants - Shelter England

The situation for married couples and civil partners where one of them is a sole tenant or sole licensee, and where the relationship has broken down.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/relationship_breakdown/housing_rights_of_married_sole_tenants

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:09

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:06

My house is worth less than 200k. It's not down shit street though. What a disgusting thing to say.

It’s depends where you live. I wasn’t being derogatory about cheap houses. But If your house is worth less then £200k and you still have a mortgage then there’s not a lot left to split if you divorce is there. Ultimately you’d still have to go through the rigmarole of buying somewhere with the peanuts you’ve been left with and he tied into a lifetime of back breaking work to pay a ridiculous mortgage you may never see the day of ever paying off

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:09

ItsBarbieBitchhhh · 04/07/2023 17:08

I understand that MN is a discussion forum but it really is interesting to see people going back and forth for AGES. Don’t you have anything better to do?!😂

I made one comment now you want to go back and forth with me. I don’t have time for that sorry!

Bye then.

Hayliebells · 04/07/2023 17:10

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 16:47

I’m fine but you’re obviously living in cloud cuckoo land if you think your marriage certificate will make an ounce of difference to the outcome of your life if your husband decides he wants out.

WTF have I just read? If the OP were married, and her husband see left her, she'd get half the value of the house equity, half his savings, and half his pension. That's just as a starting point, she could get spousal support too if she could demonstrate to a divorce court that he career had suffered whilst raising their children, and she has enabled him to progress in his career at her expense, whilst raising those children. How on Earth would that make no difference to the OPs life? As it stands, if the husband leaves her tomorrow, she'll have nothing, precisely because she isn't married, and her name is not on the house. Marriage offers more protection than just being on the house, because she'd legally be entitled to half of everything, not just the house. It may not matter if the husband was penniless with no house and no savings, but that is not the case here.

PurpleButterflyWings · 04/07/2023 17:11

Hear hear @Hayliebells

StormShadow · 04/07/2023 17:11

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:06

The correct advise would be to tell OP to make sure her name is on that house. Not to tell OP to get married.

How exactly is she going to do that? She can't force her partner to put her name on the house, any more than she can force him to marry her.

speluncean · 04/07/2023 17:13

You were being derogatory @Mumtothreegirlies And you're wrong.

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/07/2023 17:13

BigChesterDraws · 04/07/2023 16:45

I knew this would be a “separate finances” case. I cannot imagine spending my life arguing with the person who us supposed to love me more than anyone else in the world over who bought the toilet paper and who owns which bottle of milk. You sound more like flat mates than anything else.

Stop calling him “my partner”. Partners see each other as equals, and he doesn’t. If you are running the home, cooking, cleaning, washing, shopping, etc and you can collectively afford for you to work part-time, then he should have no issue with it. He doesn’t value your contribution as he doesn’t see you as an equal. That’s probably why he won’t marry you.

Separate finances can work very well for some couples. It works well for us but we also both work full time and do our fair share at home so there's no resentment.

Luxell934 · 04/07/2023 17:14

I don't think OP's partner is a high earner for some reason, if she's had to take cleaning jobs in the evenings and work part time in a supermarket for the last 15 years. Even if he has little equity in his house it would still be beneficial for the OP to be either on the mortgage, or married. Having something if the partner up and leaves is better than nothing.

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/07/2023 17:15

ItsBarbieBitchhhh · 04/07/2023 17:08

I understand that MN is a discussion forum but it really is interesting to see people going back and forth for AGES. Don’t you have anything better to do?!😂

I made one comment now you want to go back and forth with me. I don’t have time for that sorry!

It takes minutes to post something. Sometimes even less.

It's possible to be doing other things at the same time.

Mumtothreegirlies · 04/07/2023 17:15

StormShadow · 04/07/2023 17:09

This is such a self own. You clearly think marriage doesn't provide protection in these circumstances. It does!

When your partner has a council or HA tenancy, marrying them gives you more rights. the tenancy is treated sort of like an asset of the marriage and the court can make an order that it goes to one partner on that basis. Even if that spouse weren't the one who had the tenancy first.

Shelter have good info about this.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/relationship_breakdown/housing_rights_of_married_sole_tenants

For homeowners, when a couple are married and divorce, that 50k equity is an asset of the marriage and can be split even if only one of them owns it (incidentally, my house is worth about 200k, love the shit street comment). Whereas when they're not married and only one owns it, like in OPs case, the only option to try and get a share of the equity is an expensive TOLATA claim with strict conditions. Good luck with that one if you've only got 50k equity.

Having a marriage certificate won’t make a nice new council house appear ready for you to move into. The house stays with the parent who has the children the most and the other parent moves out and either has to go into rental or wait 10 years for a home to become available. This happens married or not.
if OP gets chucked out she’ll be in band 1 and in fact she’ll be in a much better situation top of the list for council housing on the next available property (as she has no assets) . Life long tenancy all care paid for when she gets old. Vs having to work her butt off and sell the house when she’s old to pay for her care. Sorry just being honest

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