To Think the last thing the UK needs is...

[TooBigForMyBoots]

...Another fucking referendum?

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-new-uk-referendum-migrants-rwanda-plan-appeal-court-2447225

Maybe do a little bit of reading around the Windrush scandal to begin with? After that you can look for the absolute reams of reports there have been into the utter failure of the Home Office to do its job, and you can look for the cases where standards have not been met. There are so many it isn't even funny. I am somewhat concerned that you are not aware of this.

So you have no answer, to my question?

Just the same load of rancid fudge we have come to expect from Labour supporters and their leader Keir Starmer, aka the 'Human Bollard'.

And I am somewhat concerned that you can't give examples and seem to be making stuff up to support your fallacious argument(s).

I'm not a Labour supporter. I've never voted them in my life.

You really should try finding out facts about stuff rather than relying on KGB News to tell you what to think.

What do you think the Windrush reference was if not an example?

If we’re going to a vote I’d prefer a GE thank you!

Then you give me some facts, I've asked you politely enough times to put some flesh on the bones of your argument but it hasn't happened - just a load of soundbites.

That's why no-one is taking you seriously.

And the lawyers on the other side also make a good living. Horrors, some lawyers might work on both sides (at different times).

The Windrush scandal was created by Clement Attlee's Labour government (1935 - 1955) not the Tories
Many of the Windrush generation arrived as children on their parents’ passports, and the Home Office of the time destroyed thousands of landing cards and other records, many lacked the documentation to prove their right to remain in the UK.

I'm not disputing the figures you quoted.

I was asking for facts about Labour's solution to the problem, which haven't been provided.

I didn't know what Labour's solution is, so I googled it. Here you go @peucepetunias.

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

It looks like their plan is to do the work needed instead of arsing about like this lazy shower of Tories.

And then the Tories started deporting them despite them being able to demonstrate that they had lived, worked and paid tax in the UK for decades. They could have used those records to generate an amnesty and they chose not to. That it 100% on the Home Office under the Tories.

Can you tell me how binning our rights under the ECHR and sending a maximum of 200 asylum seekers to Rwanda will solve our immigration woes @peucepetunias?

@peucepetunias other recent examples are the disappearance of over 100 children from asylum hotels - if that isn't failing to meet standards, what is it?

The government's own data shows that of those who do not succeed initially, 44% (2021 data) are granted asylum on appeal. If I had that high a mistake rate at work, I'd be fired.

No more than a call for; a gleam in some nut job's eye. Mind you that's what an EU referendum seemed like until the nutjobs hijacked the Tory party.

The convention and the rights we derive from it are far too complex for a single issue referendum. As should have been the case with the EU the proponents of yes must have an absolutely clear idea of what non erodeable rights we gain in the convention's stead.

Ah-ha, now we have some proposals;-

1. This is a possibility although NCA seems to be working well at the moment.

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/head-of-london-based-people-smuggling-network-jailed-after-covert-nca-investigation

2.Hmm, that might fly, but how does it speed up deportation. Cost?

3.Good idea but it doesn't state which resettlement schemes aren't working,
it just opens the floodgates. Cost?

4.That's a complete non-starter. The French don't want these people any more than we do. We've bunged Macron £millions and the boats keep coming.

5.We can't afford to 'feed the world'. We already have bespoke Safe Routes from Afghanistan, Ukraine and a responsibility to about 2 million Hong Kong Chinese.

Significant numbers of people have come through the bespoke visa routes for people from Hong Kong with British National (Overseas) status (144,576 visas granted between 31 January 2021 – 30 September 2022), and the two Ukraine Schemes (186,893 visas issued since March 2022). And as at 24 November 2022, 12,300 people had been granted indefinite leave to remain under the two schemes for Afghan nationals.

A good attempt though.🙂

Could one of the Tory haters please explain just how Labour would resolve this problem (and wasn't it Labour who opened up the UK to mass immigration)? Would really like to know because we hear only criticism but no solutions.

Try reading the thread. Or even just this page.

It wouldn’t be a problem if we allowed those people to work like we did when Braverman and Patel’s families came here.

In any abusive relationship, the only priority is to get away safely. Not have endless discussions with loads of people about why someone else may - or may not - be better.

Right now the country is in an abusive relationship with the Tory government and needs to get away to safety. Not worry about the colour of the curtains when we get there.

FYI,

Suella Braverman's parents legally emigrated from Mauritius and Kenya in the 1960s.
Likewise, Priti Patel's paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala. In the 1960s, her parents legally emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire.

There is a difference between legal migrants + asylum seekers vs. illegal immigrants + people smugglers.

The goal is to leave the ECHR. This Rwanda policy is in many respects a trojan horse. Whip up enough frenzy over a problem they created and are being thwarted in solving by 'lefty lawyers who also happen to think men can be women' and you'll have yourself a one-way ticket to a hellscape, in other words the tories' vision for the future of the UK.

You are mistaken.

It is important to note that the European Convention on Human Rights is only one of a number of International Conventions and EU rules which stop the UK from doing things such as deporting people to home countries where they would face a real risk of torture.

So please stop promulgating this ill-informed nonsense about 'binning our rights'