To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

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I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

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This!

That’s exactly why. We have higher and higher taxes so nobody wants to invest here. Where do you think investment comes from?!

Bye then.

It's a very low bar. It would be difficult to be worse.

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Yes, good luck eating your dogs and picking up the rubbish

We basically have the option of eat cat shit or eat dog shit. Or vote to not eat shit at all but still end up with cat shit or dog shit.

Neither main party are going to fix this mess in four years and no other parties are big enough to stand a chance.

Labour said they’d reinstate the lifetime allowance for pensions, which is good news for QROPS providers but these are often more complex and convoluted transfers and not very exciting at all.

If you care about reducing social inequality though there is really no viable alternative to Labour.

It isn't a "trend" its a deliberate direction taken by the Tory party.

Were thing better under the last labour government? Yes

Will things be better under the next Labour government? Also yes.

Thanks for asking. Great discussion.

The super wealthy will move offshore, no doms will leave, lots of finance and related will shift to Europe, Dubai etc. middle earners will be screwed. As a country we are due a dose of socialism. This time there isn’t the money to pay for grand plans and wheezes like VAT on school fees will backfire. It’ll be grim but at least it’ll be a different set of muppets in charge. Gender ID will come in of course so for women, very bleak times ahead.

They weren't for us with young children and mortgage rates increases plus abolishing married man's allowance which was fine imo

Also Tony Blair started the mass immigration

I live in Wales and couldn't agree more. An apathetic electorate has given us a one party state.

Neither main party are going to fix this mess in four years and no other parties are big enough to stand a chance.

But one of those parties caused the mess, the other party had the country in a relatively good place by 2010. I worked for the NHS for 35 years and the best of those years were the 13 under Labour.

Your post is really “oh they’re all the same” which is such a lazy, inaccurate, nihilistic thing to say, and just encourages other people to think that way.

Political ennui has been the death of this country.

Very well said - nail on the head there.

We "could have" had the Libdems as the third party with some influence, but Clegg scuppered that when he sold their soul for his ego boost and voted for tuition fees increases which was a full turn against what their manifesto had said. They won't be trusted again, and now have so few MPs, they can't even put up a decent/competitive leader to try to gain ground against the two main parties!

So, yes, it's a choice of cat shit or dog shit - the voters who naively think things will be a lot better under Labour need to prepare themselves for disappointment.

Things aren’t going to be better under Labour in the short-term because look at the mess the Tories have made! No party on earth can repair the damage in one term, and certainly not the party that’s spent 13 years doing this to us.

Try this as a thought experiment - under Labour we wouldn't have trashed our relationship with our nearest trading partners nor slashed the safety net so that when the pandemic hit we had very low resilence.

Unlikely and in all honesty winning the next election probably isn’t that attractive to anyone. The problems they had last time were:

• spouting all that socialist mumbo jumbo, you win elections in this country be appealing to the middle, the people that appealed to would vote labour regardless
• refusal to commit on key things like Brexit
• Doing that thing the opposition always do of saying the government is wrong but not providing an actual alternative, just saying current things are wrong. I told our local MP (who I like and noted for) that and he was a bit shocked

the rich have left, and are leaving. It’s already happening, and will continue. Saying ‘they can fuck off, good riddance!’ isn’t hurting anybody’s feelings, because those it’s directed at are merely shrugging on the way to the airport. The people being hurt are those on less who are left to carry the financial burden.

There’s a net outflow of wealth, and the UK isn’t a country that’s attractive to investors. This is, whether some like to admit it or not, a problem.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-20/millionaires-continued-to-flee-post-brexit-britain-in-2022#:~:text=A%20new%20report%20from%20the,2018%20and%204%2C200%20in%202017.

Were thing better under the last labour government? Yes
Will things be better under the next Labour government? Also yes.

The point is economical, demographically and politically we are in very different place to when last Labour government came in and not in any good way.

Wales has been under a welsh government 20+ years and it's not in great shape.

I've not been impressed with the UK parliamnet Labour opposition last few years.

I'm not so convenience anything will be better - I'm looking hard to be convinced - and coming up well could they really be worse and at same time worrying answer may be yes but in different way and that's someone who often votes for them.

How many really believe Labour would have used the pandemic as an opportunity to enrich their mates?
Who thinks Corbyn actually had such rich mates?

"It will just be more of the same, or worse. Don’t forget Labour more or less bankrupted the country"

What part of global economic crisis don't you understand? It was a worldwide problem that started with the sub-prime mess in the US.
I don't think that a Keir Starmer would party with an (allegedly ex-) KBG agent and then put his son in the HOL.
Or give hundreds of millions to their mates...where is Michelle Mone, by the way.
When you've got the likes of Lee Anderson (Deputy Chairman of the party FFS). Desmond Swaine, Michael Fabricant and Jacob Rees Mogg aboard then you're in trouble. Johnson kicked out all the moderates like Ken Clarke and Rory Stewart. If Rory Stewart had won that leadership election I feel we'd be in a very different place now.
It always makes me laugh when people say 'but ooh, the Labour Party will tax us more'. We have the highest tax burden for 70 years and fiscal drag is pulling people into the high tax bracket who shouldn't be anywhere near it, but the Tories are the party of low taxation. Yeah, right.

I'm 100% sure they won't get everything 100% right and that there'll still be loads to complain about.

But we just can't let this lot carry on. They've had 13 years and have brought the country to it's knees. More lies and corruption than we've ever known.

That bloody mini budget that "the party" knew aboutand allowed to happen so that a few of their cronies could get even richer. For that alone they need to be banished.

As others have said, be careful for what you wish for.

We in Wales have an un -elected First Minister.

Who literally banned the sale of books and paper during Covid
Spent public money on a field for a music festival
Purchased an airport that has lost half the value since its acquisition
Is introducing a 20mph national speed limit against all public opininon and studies
Wants to increased the amount of snouts in the trough to 96 ams!! 96 AM's for a country the size of Wales
Has the Welsh NHS on its knees, way behind in every metric
Education is falling behind in all key metrics compared to the UK
Wants to re-assess all Council Tax brackets in Wales

I am not saying the Conservatives are much better, but do not look at a Labour Government as the saviour of our problems