To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

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I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

But if you think Labour will do anything to upset the very rich, the banks, the big corporates or the pension funds you are in for a shock.

I think they will target the rich as I think a lot of (most?) Labour MPs really hate rich people, especially if they are British.
They will find indirect ways of doing it - in the former East Germany if the powers that be heard someone owned a valuable piece of art (and there was a lot of reporting by citizens on citizens) then they wouldn’t seize the work of art, but would send the owner a big tax bill so he/she was obliged to sell it to pay the tax.

I teach. I started way back in 2002, so Blair was in power then. At the time, my subject was very heavily weighted towards coursework, and it was always a huge challenge getting the kids to do it and then marking it. A lot of the time what they had done would be deemed not good enough, so they’d have to do it again.

If that is brought back by Labour, I know my workload will massively go up.

If they genuinely mean it and have realistic plans for worthwhile reform, then fair enough. But will the unions allow it? Will the managers/administrators actually change their ways or will they continue empire building.

I'd vote for Labour tomorrow if they said they were going to abolish the whole fragmented trusts set up and scrap the artificial "internal business market" in the NHS which causes massive amounts of, frankly bonkers, decision making, costs billions to administer, etc. But will they be brave enough to do it and see it through?? Are they even capable of making it happen?

But no, the reality is that they'll spend a few billion rearranging the deckchairs, fiddle a few statistics to make it look like waiting lists come down, but it'll be mostly business as usual, throwing ever increasing amounts of money at it.

Probably nothing

but in my opinion Labour will be far worse

Our problems are too complex to be fixed within 4 years or a single term in parliament. This is why I don't think things will be better under a labour government. I don't think I will be voting for them. I will probably just stay home.

I think it will be same shite different party in power

This gets trotted out endlessly. Wales is funded by Westminster and the money is distributed by the Sennedd. Whilst there is obviously some mismanagement going on, the Barnett formula, for example, doesn’t work. Wales has more poverty and health inequality relative to population size.

Absolutely. We don't want the VAT you spend or any tax you pay on salaries.

We need the rich more than they need us unfortunately. A very unpleasant truth. But pretending it isn’t only harms us.

Why on earth would you compare the current UK labour party to a long extinct totalitarian communist regime? Do people really think like this outside of the Mail newsroom?

We really don't. It's a myth they perpetuate to keep us in check - let the ones who care so little for the UK fuck off and try somewhere else.

They already have in many cases. And where are we now?

Not if it's all offset by dodging other taxes, thanks. We can live without the VAT on a few Ferraris and BMWs - the profits all go overseas anyway.

Fightyouforthatpie you don’t think that there are some in the Labour Party who are on the far left?

Wales outcomes were significantly worse when Labour were in power too. It doesn’t read across.

My point is that literally ANYONE could run the country better than the current bunch of lunatics and thieves. See who’s most likely to challenge your incumbent Tory MP - if you have one, I do - hold your nose and vote for them. The UK can not withstand another 5 years of this, it’ll take a decade or more to repair the damage even if the GE was next week. They have up to 18 months left, and seem hell-bent on destroying as much as they can so the incoming government has an even harder job.

I’m hardly what you’d call a patriot, the Uk is just where I was born, that doesn’t make it better than anywhere else, but I seem to be far more distressed by the destruction of my country than people who sing God Save the King and adorn their houses with union flags.

Yes that's the problem

Also in London mayor Khan is not supporting working people in the outer boroughs with his Ulez policies

Labour seems to,support Ulez which will not help the economy etc

What taxes are they dodging? Specifically?

Eh? so they have fucked off under the most rich-friendly government we've ever had and that's why the economy is in a mess? Er - no.

Try telling people struggling on middle incomes that things need to be fairer for the poor.

These are the people Labour are going to rinse.

Labour investing in housing ? Under Tony Blair they did fuck all. Thatcher built more council houses in one year than Tony Blair did in his entire tenure.

People got poorer under Tory austerity because the country was bust. Busted by 10 years of a massive credit bubble started by Thatcher and inflated hugely by Blair and Brown. If the markets won't let us borrow money now how much earlier would they have called time without Tory austerity ?

Labour spend just as much money on crap as the Tories. ID cards. Second aircraft carrier. They spend billions. Billions on stuff that wasn't finished, or that we don't need. Why did we build the second aircraft carrier ? There's a rumour it was pork barrel politics.

Labour have a pretty standard mo. They shovel money towards their preferred demographic and tax working people and borrow aggressively to pay for it. It boosts the country in the short term but in the long term ends up in a bust. This has happened the past two times Labour has been in power, and I don't see anything different about how it will go this time (apart from the borrowing, because the markets won't let them have the money)

I don't recall things being always better under Labour at all, and if they were people would vote for them, and keep them in power.

The last Labour government di do indeed invest hugely in the NHS.

Though it did so in the context of a booming economy. The UK's economy is not going to boom any time soon, if ever again.

Also, PFI was enthusiastically embraced by that Labour government. These initiatives are still draining money from thf NHS. To give them their due, the Tories stopped new PFI projects in 2018.

Keir Starmer has said that Labour would increase investment in the NHS, but there will be no details on this until next year.

I think it's more what won't happen or get worse than what will be better. I think a Labour majority is by no means certain, Lib Dems could gain seats from the Tories, and if (if) the SNP don't lose too many, it could be a hung parliament.

Labour in power will not be help accountable for anything. They will just mention Boris and evil tories every time a dodgy politician comes to light. Similar to Biden and Democrats in the US. They just babble Trump and silence everyone. Or even Sadiq Khan in London. Labour will not be better and will alienate high earners. We are leaving before the next elections. We have been bled to death with taxes and bills. There it is not point being here anymore.

You name it - capital gains, inheritance, income tax, even council tax, pick one.
Houses in the names of obscure shell companies, blind trusts held offshore, hedge funds.
It's in their interests to pretend they do us all good in some weird way but many are only feathering their own nests at our expense.
I don't mean all rich people, but the decent ones don't tend to start moaning about fucking off to the Cayman islands just because of democracy.