To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

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I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

I work in tech and in my opinion there is more than enough investment in technology. People are literally obsessed with it. Look at the "AI will destroy humanity". Well that's more likely to happen due to the accelerated impact on the environment than the tech itself. (AI is water and energy intensive).

Also, by moving to automation/robotics you are unintentionally increasing the skills level required to meet the outcome (fruit picked). There is a lit more skill involved in building and training a robotic solution, than using a human fruit picker. So the costs will increase.

We already have severe shortages of key skills in tech and unfortunately it's not a job everyone can do, even with the right training. AI needs good maths skills and complex programming, it's a high end job.

So the "just automate it" argument is lazy and riddled with flaws. It's no way to avoid the crisis we have in our workforce

How can you automate care? And surely automation will also suppress wages? Not to mention increasing unemployment?

Did things get better in 1997 when labour got in after a long period of Tory rule? The Iraq war apart, was it so bad? My old recollection was that it was better then. Mind you they seemed to have a better group of ministers then....

You’re better off looking at Labour today, Wales has been under Labour for a couple of decades

Also if you do want to look back the 70s is more comparable, high oil prices and strikes, which led to winter of discontent and Thatcher

The devolved Welsh government isn’t comparable to Westminster. This has become the latest iteration of not knowing what a woman is. It’s lazy and dishonest.

More current than posters who invoke the 90s at every opportunity.

Wishful thinking but not substantial.

Times are different.

As for the woman part, yes Labour have an issue they don’t like to talk about.

Neither do their supporters. I doubt they can stop it coming up though.

You might not have noticed but I brought it up. 😂

Like I said, lazy and dishonest.

My dh boss had someone try to sell him an automaton that would replace dh. It was twice as expensive and its output was just over half his output. They kept dh.

Hilarious You’re easily amused. Tedious though.

And incorrect. Labour would prefer people not to talk about it, they know it’s an issue for them and trying to silence is all they’ve got.

I’ve just illustrated that isn’t the case. Tedious definitely. And lazy. And dishonest.

Nope. If anyone is dishonest it’s those peddling gender ideology.

Perhaps you’d prefer disingenuous? Comparing a devolved government funded by Westminster with the Westminster government itself certainly isn’t honest. Fortunately every time this comparison is made there’s usually someone around to point out that it doesn’t stack up.

I’d prefer if people considered the global set up now v 90s or 70s when making claims on what Labour will be like next time

Not to mention different leader, party and policies

The closest to that right now in Labour in Wales. Others will think the current climate matters less than I do, but I disagree with that.

If it was easy for any party to overcome oil prices / strikes Thatcher wouldn’t have taken over from Labour so comprehensively.

If people want to dismiss Wales they can but others don’t have to do the same. Equally I’ll make decisions looking forward based on the leader, party and policies plus climate today not last time.

So basically the position seems to be "Don't vote Labour because Left Is Bad. Apart from in the 90s but that doesn't count."

It's not really a thought through position.

I'm still waiting to hear how exactly Labour could be worse than our current kleptocracy. I think if I'm right it's because they might ask upper middle classes to pay more tax and that's Just Not Fair

The Conservatives do totally inhuman things like this
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/minister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

And people think labour would be "worse"?? I despair of english British society, I really do

Nice try at writing for me but incorrect.

Vote for whomever you want but at least try to judge on policies, leader and party today and going forward

The 90s have passed, it’s a different leader plus policies.

If that’s what you want up to you. We all get one vote to use as we wish, good old democracy.

As has been mentioned many times, take a look at us in Wales. Education and Health is devolved, and every major metric we are behind England. A Welsh Labour Senedd has driven both to its knees.

And before you mention funding, wales on average has 10% per head more than England to spend. So, it is just down to mis management and poor governence.

Wales from Tories on political threads has become the equivalent of Versailles from republicans on monarchy ones.

It is just done to highlight that Labour are not the saving grace of the UK. Tories have decimated the economy (with the help of covid) with a ironically a very un conservative taxation and decimation of small businesses mindset.

Labour will be equally as bad, it is just depressing the choice we have. I do like the eat dog shit or cat shit analogy!

Sure. Just like it’ll be like the 90s again

On this It's not really a thought through position

I’m not seeing much depth to the posts with one liners and emojis

Lacking the ability to form much more of an argument, not that convincing though.

OK, you start.

Read below it’s not that far to scroll. Start with that.

If you can put a point forward without the usual snipes I’ll respond.

Otherwise just carry on as you do.

I feel like it's the new Keirs Beer

I did mine earlier in the thread- 2 seconds and I'll repost