To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

[Baabaagreysheep]

I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

Given how so many people seem to be unhappy and hating the Tories, they're not that far behind in opinion polls - if everyone is so unhappy or if Labour had credible alternative policies, they'd be miles behind.

They are miles behind. Even Dorries’ 23k majority is predicted to be overturned when she eventually gets round to making good on her promise to stand down.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

This is particularly telling.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?postcode=DL10+7HS

But it’s not extending is it? Different countries will have different outcomes from identical policies because they’re, well, different. I don’t imagine introducing a raft of Swedish policies would suddenly turn England into the mirror image of Sweden. We’re different populations and cultures.

I don’t love it, but the fact is that we are currently operating under a two party system which makes votes very much a compromise for a lot of people in times such as these where the current party in power have proved themselves corrupt and incompetent in pretty much all areas.

My personal ideological preference is a luxury I could not, in good conscience, waste my vote on in current circumstances

You're not incorrect, but that doesn't give us any indication of how things will be better under a future Labour Govt. I wouldn't vote Tory, but I'm also deeply uncomfortable voting Labour when they are going full steam ahead with their gender identity bollox.

Can you repeat that in a way I can understand?

Brilliant if it actually turns out that way. I'd have a party if Sunak was thrown out. Trouble is "they" would just give him another safe seat to get him back again.

Do you think they’d have any safe seats left? He’d piss off back to the US if he was kicked out.

“Odious little cretin”
i think if it came to an IQ contest between you and him, you wouldn’t find you had many backers.
who is “pulling the strings”, by the way? Deeply unsavoury implications here.

He worked in the US, as have many British people. What is it about him that makes you assume he wouldn’t stay here, I wonder. Hmmm.

Money. Being a washed up footnote in history. No reason to stay. I can supply more if those aren’t enough.

This. If you think the Tories are any clearer on trans issues than any of the other parties, you're being played.

I despise the Tories but you can get that kind of language - referring to an Asian man - right tae fuck!

He only lived in the states for a few years incidentally, regardless of green card

I’m sure Sunak will get over some SM bile if that’s what pp think will run him off.

Par for the course these days. He’ll likely make decisions based on what’s best for actual family like anyone does not SM trolls.

Yes, and it’s pretty clear what you think those other reasons are.
ugh.

Ps you say no reason to stay - he was born, brought up and educated here. HE’S BRITISH. Difficult though they clearly is for some people to accept.

So what are they then? Enlighten me.

@SunnyEgg What kind of bile - the kind where it's assumed a British Asian man should "piss off" back to wherever? Regardless of wealth - that kind of (unfortunately) normalised language reeks from PP. Being on the left doesn't absolve her.

Both parties are shit but only one has a front bench playing dumb while their own mps harangue gender critical women in parliament, dissuade them from attending party conferences and fail to show up at key election punch point because they have the temerity to say men cannot become women. I have no idea how Rosie Duffield hasn't lost her mind - she is far too good for a party that denigrates her for holding a perfectly ordinary belief bedded in absolute reality.

When you build a faith based political system you end up with heretics. That's not my definition of democracy.

you Know perfectly well what I’m getting at. You would never have said he has “nothing to stay for” if he were white. He was brought up here, his family are here, his children are educated here. I don’t know what more has to be done to convince people like you that he is as tied to this country as anyone, and his ethnicity doesn’t alter that.

There are more than two parties in British politics. They are all shit on women's rights but that doesn't mean I don't want my views heard on other issues that also affect me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street

https://m.facebook.com/ (surprisingly difficult to find that clip these days)

Deeply unsavoury is right.