To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

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I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

i wish she was. I cannot see what justification there is for putting her in any kind of position of responsibility. Every time I hear her speak I either cringe or laugh. What makes you think she is suitable for government?

It's depressing that there's such a dearth of talent on display, on either side, that I cba.

I think it is absolutely fair to query Johnson’s propriety and regard for proper process. I do not think the same can be said of Sunak or any current minister I can think of. You may criticise their policies but I cannot think of any reason to attack their personal probity.

Could be worse - could have to choose between Biden or Trump

Well if you educate yourself in What the PFI deals have meant still today to our hospitals and health trusts as a result of labours mismanagement you would not have to ask.

How about go learn about a subject first before coming out with comments like that. It just makes you look lazy I'm not your personal google 🙄

To be fair to these people, the Conservatives go at each election as though they’ve been out of government for years. One of the Hartlepool voters told the BBC he was voting Conservative “because we need a change”. The Tories still blame Labour for our problems whenever they can, accuse Labour of being “Islington Remainers trying to stop Brexit”, and we all know it’s easier to con someone than to persuade them they’ve been conned.

Is it really necessary to be so rude? I know perfectly well how PFI works. I also know that no hospital has closed as the result of a PFI contract.

Your link doesn’t work, by the way.

So labour paid for Calder Royal under PFI in the late 1990s is reported to be costing taxpayers more than £700m on a £64m build cost and still being paid off. Resulting ion insufficient funds to maintain/repair and upgrade other hospitals in the surrounding areas.

Meaning were lost most of our services and A&E because there is no money left after these atrocious deals left over from Labour, still to this day paying back extortionate interest. So no its not the current governments fault , typical response from some one like yourself, misinformed bollocks. 😣

Well your misinformed aren't you , I must be imaging it like others in my area 😂

We, particularly mortgage holders, will be paying off the Tories’ Trussonomics for years to come. At least with PFI we actually got some infrastructure out of it. What do “We The People” get out of Truss’s madness?

Those PFI contracts will come to an end one day, even if no government is bold enough to borrow money in the meantime to buy them out. Because borrowing money to benefit the people and the economy is OK. Borrowing money to give wealthy people tax cuts is not OK, and no other mainstream party but the Conservatives would even consider it.

Can you supply a link that actually works?

Both PM Johnson and PM Sunak were so lily livered they didn't have the courage to say of course only women have a cervix. PM Sunak once answered that "woman" was whatever Johnson said.🤦‍♀️

How could they possibly be worse?
We've had hundreds of thousands of dead citizens due to Austerity and hundreds of thousands more dead due to botched lockdowns and botched pandemic preparedness. You'd have similar death tolls if you nuked Exeter and Cambridge. Stagnating/declining life expectancy. Shorter children as a result of malnutrition. A return of Victorian diseases like scurvy and rickets.
To imagine a government in history as casually malevolent to its own people as this one, you'd have to imagine that Japan itself dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

I agree. My point was really that the corruption allegations have taken hold without any real basis at all - or at least no more basis than with any government of any colour - as being inherent in Tories.

Since every court challenge to the lawfulness of PPE contracts has failed, and there's nothing I'm aware of to link whatever PPE fraud there may have been with government figures, I do wonder how this has got so much traction even among the credulous.

There are certainly recent Tories that deserve opprobrium and banishment. But that's true of numerous Labour people too. And how Labour can bang on about racism after the whole antismitism stink from them is amazing: none of the many culpable foot soldiers and branch officers have gone away, they've just lost the support of the leader.

I will readily admit that Starmer is a more personally reassuring politician than Johnson - though not Sunak - but Starmer is really bloody boring and wooden: I foresee a John Major-style profile problem for Starmer, however decent and capable he might actually be.

Works for me, jog on.

Many of my friends have told me to vote labour just because they hate the Tories. I don't agree with this idea. We should be voting for something rather than just because we don't like the alternative.

We need this lot to be gone to ensure they can't keep draining the public purse into their own pockets. Maybe the options aren't perfect, but it couldn't really get any worse than this lot. They are quite simply rotten to the core.

Mmm-hmm, mmm-hmm, that story is from 2017, and the Conservatives have been in power for 6 years since then, and for the 7 years before that.

The Tory government could have borrowed the money to buy out those contracts but didn’t. They borrowed money to share amongst themselves, their donors and their lobbyers.

@JustAsYouSuggestPressedAndDressed I agree that Keir Starmer may be considered boring. I would at this point be extremely happy with boring! I think as a country we may even need boring to start to get over the damage the Tories (in particular Johnson and Truss) have done.

Oh right so its the Conservatives fault they have not paid off a £700m debt on on a £64m build that Labour thought was a good idea, got ya👌

Precisely my point. Thank you.

That only works if labour don't do the same.

I know. It’s just not realistic.

in reality if labour is better it will only be slightly. They have thrown away all policies that even make them different.

No worries, this government have set the wheels in motion for forty new hospitals, so clearly there is/was the money/