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Wedding in Italy - AIBU

116 replies

Timetoflower22 · 28/06/2023 20:41

Me and my OH really want to get married in a period villa in Tuscany. A small wedding with 40 of our closest friends and family. We are going to pay for absolutely everything - accommodation, food, etc. but would it be rude to ask our guests to pay for their flights considering we will be paying for everything else? The wedding won't be until 2026/2027 so everyone will have two/three years notice.

Thank you

OP posts:
WandaWonder · 29/06/2023 12:09

Timetoflower22 · 29/06/2023 11:43

We will be doing it over a Thursday-Sunday so most will only take two days annual leave.

That still does not mean people will automatically make it, I think there is difference in a wedding where a couple/family can make the wedding part of a normal holiday and a 'holiday wedding' where the sole purpose is the entire event is for someone else's wedding

MargotBamborough · 29/06/2023 12:10

WandaWonder · 29/06/2023 12:09

That still does not mean people will automatically make it, I think there is difference in a wedding where a couple/family can make the wedding part of a normal holiday and a 'holiday wedding' where the sole purpose is the entire event is for someone else's wedding

Huh? I don't understand this post at all.

Surely the only difference is that sometimes the guests choose to tack on a few days to make it part of a longer holiday and sometimes they don't?

SaveMeFromMyBoobs · 29/06/2023 12:11

PedalStool · 29/06/2023 11:50

Why would you (and others) put the dream venue over making it logistically easy and affordable for friends and family? My priority was having as many of the people I love in my life at my wedding. So I would never have done this.

Depends on the situation. Mine and DHs parents live over 400 miles apart. 8 hour drive no traffic. Return rail ticket £350 a person booked in advance, more closer to the day. We live in yet another city, as do most friends.

Wherever we held the wedding two sets of people would have a very long journey in UK. Everyone lives within 30 mins of an airport though and some destinations are very cheap to get to. You can fly london to milan in October this year for £45 return flight per person compared to £350 plus train ticket. Other airports not hugely more expensive. It would be cheaper for us all to fly to milan to meet up than travel to one of the cities we live in.

rainyskylight · 29/06/2023 12:12

It sounds great OP. Everyone who says otherwise is a sour puss who hates travelling any further than 45mins and wants to be back at home by 11pm.

OnePotPolly · 29/06/2023 12:13

Other airports not hugely more expensive. It would be cheaper for us all to fly to milan to meet up than travel to one of the cities we live in

That's a really good idea for those specific circumstances.

MargotBamborough · 29/06/2023 12:13

BubziOwl · 29/06/2023 12:03

Sorry, my post should have read;

there's plenty of valid reasons, lots of them already said in PPs, why it would be a big ask even if you're covering most the cost

Well it's an ask, not an order.

It's sad how many posters here seem to assume that nobody would want to spend even a day or two of annual leave in Tuscany for a friend or family member's wedding and that anyone who says to the OP, "yeah, sounds great, count me in!" is only being polite and secretly hates the idea.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/06/2023 12:15

Timetoflower22 · 29/06/2023 09:36

We will be paying for all travel costs as in coaches to and from the airport. So the guests will simply only have to pay for travel insurance and flights. The 'villa' is a small hotel, with double bedrooms for each guests. We just want everyone to be able to come so we feel we should pay the maximum we can as we are the ones choosing to go aboard

it sounds lovely and generous on your part. They have time to save for flights and travel insurance - (which won't cost much for a weekend) Its not long haul and as you've said only two days off required. I guess the only important thing is to accept gracefully if people can't come.

MargotBamborough · 29/06/2023 12:17

OnePotPolly · 29/06/2023 12:13

Other airports not hugely more expensive. It would be cheaper for us all to fly to milan to meet up than travel to one of the cities we live in

That's a really good idea for those specific circumstances.

That's an extreme example but far from isolated.

We calculated that for someone without a car (i.e. most of our friends) it wouldn't be any more expensive to travel from London to France and stay a night in a hotel than it would be to travel from London to most wedding venues we looked at in the UK and stay overnight there.

BubziOwl · 29/06/2023 12:22

@MargotBamborough yes I know - did you read the post that the one you quoted is a correction of? I think OP's plan is great!

Caspianberg · 29/06/2023 12:27

We had our wedding abroad ( although we live in the country, so it’s our ‘home’)
32 invited, 30 came to wedding - just one couple couldn’t.
We also covered all food and accommodation for 3 nights. Some guests flew in, stayed 3 nights and went back - flights about £100 each. Others chose to make it a holiday and then booked another 7-10 days somewhere else after the 3 days.

gldd · 29/06/2023 12:42

I think it sounds lovely, very generous, and I wouldn't mind receiving an invitation like that.

I would, however, feel quite conflicted. Family member and I have rarely flown in the last 10 years for ethical and climate-related reasons. Even though i'd love to go and i'm sure it would be a wonderful place for a wedding, i'd probably choose not to fly for this reason. Many others may feel the same.

I'd be wondering why 40+ people need to contribute to aircraft emissions when you could have a perfectly lovely small wedding in the UK?

Nclktnntt · 29/06/2023 12:49

Timetoflower22 · 28/06/2023 20:41

Me and my OH really want to get married in a period villa in Tuscany. A small wedding with 40 of our closest friends and family. We are going to pay for absolutely everything - accommodation, food, etc. but would it be rude to ask our guests to pay for their flights considering we will be paying for everything else? The wedding won't be until 2026/2027 so everyone will have two/three years notice.

Thank you

We've been invited to a wedding in America - other than the wedding food and day itself we are covering all other costs ourselves including accommodation and drinks on the day I'm sure, (my husbands best man - hard to be best man and not be there). It's not expected for the bride and groom to cover their guests stay too so no YANBU by them paying for their flight, they have time to save up and most people go on at least one holiday a year, so they'll combine it.

Be prepared that not everyone might come though, many of my friends didn't to ours (in Italy too) due to costs and having children so costs more for them - even with 2 years notice. I didn't do a party back here for those that couldn't make it, because the wedding was the party of you missed it (like if you couldn't make it in the uk) then you missed it. We covered everything from the Friday to Sunday apart from room and their flights. We even hired a mini bus to get people from the airport to the venue to make everything as easy and cost effective as possible for them.

Scottishskifun · 29/06/2023 13:03

I don't think your being unreasonable at all but would add some caveats that you shouldnt get upset or annoyed if people decline.

Pre children I loved a wedding abroad and would extend it to make a full holiday out of it. Post children we have declined a few because of not having childcare options or the cost when we have nursery fees. So don't make the assumption if having a child free wedding that your friends with children will come.

Only you know your family and friends set up. It sounds lovely though.

Miri13 · 29/06/2023 13:09

YANBU about the flights. Think you are being so generous paying for everything else. Enjoy your wedding :)

Caspianberg · 29/06/2023 13:10

Oh ours wasn’t child free. We have 8 age 0-10 in the 30 invited. So 1/3 children. Was lovely. Hotel had pool children used the days before and after wedding, and catered for children’s menu and equipment as needed ie no guest had to lug travel cots

Riapia · 29/06/2023 13:17

Of course it's fine, it's very generous of you, just don't be too upset if some people can't make it or choose to decline.

Surely the OP wouldn’t be having her wedding in Tuscany if she was concerned about some of the guests not attending.

Yummingtons · 29/06/2023 13:25

I am going to a destination wedding in a few weeks. The B&G think it is a great idea, and can't understand why some people are not going or are not tripping over themselves with glee at the prospect.

We are going because it is a close family member. However, it is costing us a lot of money, we have to take time off work and it has impacted other things we want to do. The B&G live 20 mins away, but we have to spend a whole day travelling there and back overseas with our DC, to somewhere we are not remotely interested in going to.

They have booked a large villa and we decided we didn't want to stay there and made our own arrangements. I don't want to spend 24/7 with people I don't know.

Sounds humbuggish, but I don't care. It is massively inconvenient. I'm sure some people will love it, but for many you are causing them a lot of unnecessary expense and time off. It is meant to be a wedding "day", not a wedding holiday.

BackOfTheMum5net · 29/06/2023 13:29

Sounds lovely and generous of you. I’d leap at the chance!

I‘ve attended friends’ weddings in America, Australia and Malaysia and only once was accommodation provided (and we really didn’t expect it)! A wedding abroad is a great opportunity for an interesting holiday, so far as I can see.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/06/2023 13:32

I’m probably too old for this shit really and have no tolerance left for people using weddings to determine what you do with your holidays, children and money. It just seems more about photographs and a wedding day to be “best day of your life” than a marriage and the start of, hopefully, some of the genuinely more best days of your life.

if you want a wedding in Tuscany, do it. But elope. Invite no one- but tell people your plans. If someone close really want to come and can afford the costs and giving up 2 of their leave days, sure that’s fine (e.g. mum and dads)

asking 40 of your “closest” friends and family is hilarious - and completely unnecessary to burden people on this scale with having to make a decision whether to sacrifice their own plans on what they want to do with their leave days, money etc

it won’t all expense paid, op, it is a small expense paid. On top of flights you’re asking them to fund, are transfers, travel insurance (very costly if you are older, medical conditions or pregnant) , child minders for 4 days even assuming they can find them, clothes, gift etc etc and the loss of 2 days leave which would cost 2 days earnings to “buy back” if your company even allowed that . It’ll probably be fine for your young, free, no kids guests, but it ain’t for a lot of folks over 40 with dependants and precious holidays they want to take with their own families.

basides Italy and Tuscany always was, and I assume still is, one of most expensive European destinations - generally lovely accommodation but bloody expensive. Restaurants are expensive and sometimes oddly mostly crap- the Italians outside of big cities don’t eat out that much - home cooking , so I hope you’ve considered this in your “much ado about nothing” fantasy

i think, op, you need to ask yourself what is most important- Tuscany villa or friends and family. Sounds awfully to me that you want enough people going to fill your villa up so you think expense you pay for a huge villa is worthwhile and “how generous you’ve been”.

there are other more realistic options. You do your Tuscany “elopement” with those very few that desperately don’t want to miss it and have asked you if they can come and, then you also do a uk/home based reception party for everyone - a separate evening do for instance, you could still bring a bit of Tuscany atmosphere or flavour to it to capture the atmosphere .

try to remember, your wedding is your wedding, it is massively important to you now , but it is highly unlikely to be the best day of your life in long run, and almost everyone else attending will not be expecting it to be even one of the best days of their own lives, they’re going to expect to have a bit of fun, watch their friends/family get hitched, have good food and drink and minimal costs and hassles to do that and will forget most of the details of your “ best day of your life’ 3 years down the line.

but then I’m an old fogey and a bit cynical and beyond being pressurised into doing anything I wouldn’t do otherwise that involved spending a great deal of my money or leave days for.

YouHaveAnArse · 29/06/2023 13:35

It sounds very generous, but be prepared for people not being able to come with the cost of flights/time off needed for a destination wedding/not being able to drive if you're somewhere without public transport.

YouHaveAnArse · 29/06/2023 13:39

Also, IIRC (we eloped) you might have to have the legal element of the ceremony done in the UK anyway.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/06/2023 13:43

The OP has said she is paying for transport to and from the airport. For everything except flights and insurance ( Insurance for a Euro country for 4 days won't cost that much - and nothing extra if they already have annual insurance ) She hasn't said whether there are people with children coming or not or if they need childcare - so that's a big assumption to make. She seems to have carefully planned it so I'm sure she would organise childcare for the wedding day if it was needed.
I very much doubt she's decided on this plan with the aim of filling up the villa so everyone can see how generous she is. It's a hotel. She doesn't and may not have filled it up with 40 people. The tone of her post is asking if she should also pay for all their flights.
40 people is only 20 couples. Say 10 each for B and G.
If you consider parents, siblings on both sides, plus aunts uncles and cousins and a best friend or two - that would quickly bring the guest list to 40.

Most of them would want to come/be offended if not invited. And she's given them plenty of warning. If they decide not to and she's ok with that then I don't think her plan is so outlandish.

Splishsploshsplash · 29/06/2023 13:56

In three years there could be a bunch of babies and toddlers on the scene. What are you proposing for kids? Not many people have options for three nights away, and would need to bring their kids with them.

MargotBamborough · 29/06/2023 13:58

asking 40 of your “closest” friends and family is hilarious - and completely unnecessary to burden people on this scale with having to make a decision whether to sacrifice their own plans on what they want to do with their leave days, money etc

Are you for real? That's a small wedding.

Me, my husband, our parents, our siblings and their partners and children, his two best friends and their partners and children and my two best friends and their partners and children comes to 26 people.

For our actual wedding, which was before any of those people had children, we had parents, siblings and their partners, living grandparents, aunts, uncles, most first cousins and one or two of their partners plus maybe ten friends each (in most cases with partners) and a table's worth of our parents' friends that they wanted to invite and it came to 120 people. And yeah, around 50 of them travelled from abroad.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 29/06/2023 14:12

40 isn't many

20 for groom
20 for bride

Of that 20 each-
2x parents
2x siblings
2x siblings spouses
2x aunts
2x uncles
2x cousins and their spouses (4)
Best friend and their spouse (2)
2 more close friends and their spouses (4)

There's your 20.

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