to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

Why? What does it matter and who does it affect? Other than the mother for her entire life?

It’s not about not wanting to be pregnant for another 3 months - it’s about having a life altering dependant bestowed on you who you can’t, for whatever reason, care for. How on Earth is that a better, or fairer, outcome?

I think the fastest way to get people talking about whether the limit should be lowered is suggesting that it should be legal to terminate a healthy pregnancy at full term, tbh.

My comment was in relation to someone suggesting that women should be able to be induced at 35 weeks and have the baby put up for adoption rather than an abortion - which is frankly a ridiculous suggestion.

As others have pointed out, she isn't obliged to keep the baby once it has been born.

It's deeply weird to suggest that seeing the pregnancy through to the end, after she has already been pregnant for 6 months and not had an abortion for whatever reason, will be too traumatic to contemplate, but having the baby killed and giving birth to a corpse will not.

I think you have to draw a line somewhere between ‘non living’ and ‘alive’ and passing through the birth canal is a pretty good line IMO.

As I’ve said, used whichever semantics you prefer - living, alive, baby, foetus. It’s all just an anti-choice red herring because even if you think a foetus is a loving being, the foetus’s rights do not, and should not ever trump the rights of the woman carrying it. It’s as simple as that.

No, it really isn't as simple as that.

If it were, I think you would be able to find at least one country in the world where women are actually able to do what you are suggesting.

Yawn at the dramatised words of ‘kill’. You are shocking no one.

Doctors aren’t randoms being pulled off the street. They are people who choose to care for patients and administering an abortion to a 35 week pregnant is not something that they’re forced into that will result in lifelong trauma. It’s just part of their job. A ludicrous reason as to why abortions shouldn’t be provided, in case it upsets a doctor 🙄

"But there’s absolutely no evidence at all that this happens so often, or that so many women seek abortions at 35 weeks that it requires legislating" @LifeIsPainHighness

But surely it shouldn't matter that it's rare, they currently have no legal option to end the pregnancy.

Technically we don't actually have legal right to an abortion, it's illegal but you can get an exemption from prosecution if two doctors decide it's necessary. I suspect that might be harder at 35 weeks!

It's a small difference but important to remember!

There should be legal protection for women wanting to end the pregnancy. Giving it up and walking away might be preferable for some who currently would be forced to carry for many more weeks. I'm not necessarily saying instead of abortion just sort of musing on the idea another poster suggested

I think you have to draw a line somewhere between ‘non living’ and ‘alive’ and passing through the birth canal is a pretty good line IMO.

No. This is scientifically incorrect. Life begins at conception when there are biological life processes.

Legal personhood begins at birth.

The value of a human life evolves throughout this process depending on your belief system.

Also the baby is far less affected than being born alive into a family that doesn’t want it where their chances of a miserable life will be increased - why this utter desperation for the birth to happen but no shits given for the life these people lead after?

You think it’s affects the baby - so what. They are not a legal person and their feelings, as harsh as it sounds, don’t matter even to restrict abortions

Terminating a healthy 35 week pregnancy is not part of any doctor's job. As evidenced by the fact that even in countries where it is technically legal it is all but impossible to find a doctor who will agree to do it.

Perhaps you’re right but that’s not what I’m arguing for - maybe you’ve mistaken me for someone else?

Either way - as I keep saying abortions affect no one but the woman themselves. And none of us have a right to decide how others should live their entire lives in a way that will never remotely affect the rest of us.

Nobody needs to pretend a 40 week fetus isn't a life. It clearly is.

Sometimes, it's ok to end a human life. Few people are arguing against abortions at 5 weeks despite the fetus being a human life.

You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true.

Oh yeah because it’s just so easy to give up a baby a lead a life knowing there is a child somewhere that is yours, in a sock arty that has shockingly low adopters and a disgraceful care system - silly women wanting an abortion, why didn’t they think of this first 🙄

You also can’t just drop a baby off at an orphanage. That’s not how the child services system works.

…eh? What is it you think I’m suggesting?

By the time you're 35 weeks pregnant and you've decided you don't want a baby, you are months past the point of there being any easy options available to you.

That a baby doesn't count as a living being or have any rights until it's passed through the birth canal?

You are wrong, Abortion is not illegal unless 2 doctors say so. That’s not how the law works.

I think the current system generally works because the only demand for late-term abortion is for medical reasons - be it the mother or baby. I’d challenge anyone to find a woman who strolls into a hospital 35 weeks pregnant and says she just doesn’t fancy being a mum anymore.

Hence no need for late term abortions to be legislated any more than they already have

But no argument in favour of the current, extremely generous, limit being extended either.

Scientifically correct according to who exactly?

In the eyes of the law of many developed countries, a foetus does not have the same rights as a living person. ‘Alive’ is just a word - it doesn’t take away the fact the woman’s life is far more important

No. But I don't think I know anyone who thinks aborting a baby at 32 weeks is right.
My father was a doctor and when I got to 32 weeks he said 'a bit of a relief now - the baby will most likely survive if you had it from now on'.

Who is arguing for terminating a healthy pregnancy at 35 weeks? Who is asking for this?

It's a bit of both I think @Jellybean85 @LifeIsPainHighness

OK so whose abortion have you been affected by? And why do you think it is that you don’t tend to hear about other people’s abortions? Perhaps because it’s nothing to do with you?