to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

i am very pro abortion - i do however feel the limit should be decreased to 16 weeks. (unless incompatible with life) I think that's more than enough time for any woman regardless of circumstances. After this time when it is actually a fully formed baby...just doesn't sit right with me.

It doesn't sound like you're very pro abortion.

Same here. I'm not pro choice at 35 weeks for any reason other than imminent medical catastrophe to mother and or baby.

As others have said the mothers pain of delivery. She's giving birth to either a live or dead foetus it will be the same size either way!

I think I agree most with the poster who suggested that a woman at that stage should be able to walk into a hospital and say "I'm done" and they induce or offer c section. The mother is the free to walk awa and the baby takes its chances and is found a new family

The trouble is at that point sadly she does have to give birth! Dead or alive it comes out the same either vaginally or c section

I really don’t know why people claim they’re pro life or pro abortion and go on to post anti-abortion views.

The topic of Abortion is interesting because it’s one of the only contentious societal topics that people think they should have a god given right to allow their option restrict other’s choices, yet it’s something that literally affects no one but the pregnant woman. A woman having an abortion is not a public menace, she does not put her community in danger, if she kept her actions to herself absolutely no one else would ever know and nobody is harmed. No one. If every woman on my street had an abortion tomorrow - I’d never know. Because it would not in any way affect me. It’s not a public health issue as it only affects the women who choose to take up abortion. There’s very few contentious topics you can say this about.

And yet you have people deciding that it should be even more restricted, or women should be punished for seeking abortions - something that will never ever affect them, their family or peers - on the basis that ‘it doesn’t sit right with me’. They think forcing a woman into motherhood and having a child grow up in terrible circumstances is A-OK because apparently the ‘comfort that sits with them’ trumps that lived experiences of the mother and foetus.

I’ll say it time and again - abortion doesn’t sit right with you? Then Don’t get one. But leave other women the hell alone.

And a baby coming out alive is far less preferable for many women, and that’s absolutely fine.

But you do not give birth to an aborted foetus. You deliver the foetus.

But there’s absolutely no evidence at all that this happens so often, or that so many women seek abortions at 35 weeks that it requires legislating

The topic of Abortion is interesting because it’s one of the only contentious societal topics that people think they should have a god given right to allow their option restrict other’s choices, yet it’s something that literally affects no onebut the pregnant woman. A woman having an abortion is not a public menace, she does not put her community in danger, if she kept her actions to herself absolutely no one else would ever know and nobody is harmed. No one.

The fetus is significantly and irreversibly harmed. To the extent of causing its death.

The only reason you say that is 'no one' is because of how the law defines personhood. In times of history, all sorts of people were deemed 'non-people' for the purposes of law, and on the other side, some places regard early embryos as having full personhood. I really wouldn't base whether anyone is harmed in a legal definition.

There is nothing "absolutely fine" about a dead baby.

No, but we can enforce the law, which happens to coincide with most people's opinion that there should be a reasonable time limit for terminating a healthy pregnancy.

The reason it doesn't happen is because it's illegal.

A foetus is not a legal person and in this case that is relevant.

Even if you do think a foetus is a person - and I’m happy to accept that - that ‘person’ doesn’t trump the rights and life of the actual person - the mother.

Once we start giving non-living beings the same rights as woman we can kiss all our rights goodbye

You are really going to struggle to convince many people that a foetus at 7, 8, 9 months gestation is a “no-one”. We’re not talking about a bundle of cells or an unsurvivable foetus here, we’re talking about a baby that could be delivered and breathe on its own or via a ventilator.

yet it’s something that literally affects no one but the pregnant woman.

But that isn't true is it. If we're talking abortion of a healthy baby that if it were born prematurely would most likely survive then ofcourse it effects the foetus/baby whatever you want to call it.

The topic of Abortion is interesting because it’s one of the only contentious societal topics that people think they should have a god given right to allow their option restrict other’s choices, yet it’s something that literally affects no one but the pregnant woman. A woman having an abortion is not a public menace, she does not put her community in danger, if she kept her actions to herself absolutely no one else would ever know and nobody is harmed. No one.

Surely it's obvious that people think the baby is a person? So it doesn't affect no one, it affects them.

So? There’s still no evidence to suggest there’s so much demand for 35 week abortions that lawmakers need to Wade in.

So let’s leave the law as it is then like everyone is saying

But it's not the life of the foetus versus the life of the mother.

It's the life of the foetus versus the mother's wish not to spend the next 3 months of her life being pregnant and then giving birth to a live baby rather than a dead one.

And I'm afraid I think for the sake of three months, it's reasonable to say she's left it too late and needs to see it through to the end.

Nobody is calling for lawmakers to wade in and reduce the current legal limit for abortion in order to prevent abortions from taking place at 35 weeks, since the current legal limit is 24 weeks.

Eh?

A fetus is a 'non-living being'. So why for late abortions would you need to inject the fetus to kill it? Something can't be killed if it's not alive? Do you think the vagina is some sort of magical magical tunnel that instantly creates a full grown baby? 😂

Wherever you stand on this debate, it's beyond discussion that an embryo or fetus is alive. Its also a completely factual statement that it's human. Its an alive human fetus. That isn't something that needs debating any more than if the world is round. Its about whether its life has worth, and rights, and how to balance is rights with the mothers.

But it’s nothing to do with other people. That’s my point. If someone else has a 35 week abortion (something that is so rare it’s negligible) who does it affect other than the mother?

I don’t disagree, my comment was in relation to people demand the limit be lowered.

The baby.

And the doctor you are asking to kill it.