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To think Tyrion was the villain?

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lilpeepgothboy · 26/06/2023 22:47

I mean who cares it ended ages ago but with the sequel of Jon Snow (I think is happening?) I’ve rewatched a few episodes.

He sacrificed Varys to save himself, a friend who saved his life. He was also a crap hand of The Queen. He encouraged Jon to kill Dani.

And he got away with no consequences. Loved him throughout but that final season

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DrSbaitso · 27/06/2023 20:59

Saschka · 27/06/2023 20:40

She’d just watched Missandei and one of her dragons die - seemed pretty clear to me that she was in a pissy mood and got carried away.

The megalomania afterwards seemed a bit stapled on, I’ll give you that.

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She'd already seen a maid/friend killed before, and lost her husband and baby to a bad decision. Didn't make her insane.

HumphreyCobblers · 27/06/2023 21:15

Morghulis · 27/06/2023 05:58

The issue wasn’t the overall story points of the ending, it was the execution. The fight with the Night King was far too short - building up this enemy for 7 seasons just to be over in a couple episodes. It should have been a whole season for that. Dany also needed a much longer descent into madness. Instead she went from a “bit ruthless/overreactive at times” to full on mad in a few episodes. It felt jarring and out of character. Ayra barely used the skills she learned other than her one off stab which was dumb and bran’s plot line was also rushed. We could have done with a couple more seasons to do it all properly.

I agree with this. It could have been so much better even with exactly the same plot, had they executed it with more concoction.

HumphreyCobblers · 27/06/2023 21:16

Conviction

DrSbaitso · 27/06/2023 21:27

I agree. A descent into madness takes time. I remember in The Walking Dead, which also lost itself to bad writing, they built up the Governor as a total psychopath (it reached a point where it was no longer explained by the loss of his daughter, he was a megalomaniac) and then tried to turn him into a sympathetic flawed hero simply by having a montage scene with a twangy country song played over it. No. Character development takes time and events.

Hawkins0001 · 27/06/2023 22:10

Arukat · 27/06/2023 20:43

Have you read the books? I think he was supposed to be the villain the way the books were going! And there is a quote from GRRM which sort of confirms this (google it)

spoilers incoming….

I think that in the books Tyrion will persuade Dany to burn KL

Danny?

PicturesOfDogs · 28/06/2023 00:24

Hawkins0001 · 27/06/2023 22:10

Danny?

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Daenerys

DemiColon · 28/06/2023 02:00

BiscuitsandPuffin · 26/06/2023 22:51

OMG spoilers much????? Arrgh.
I know, I know, I shouldn't have clicked on it given that I never got around to finishing it but seriously.

You can't complain about spoilers for a book or show that has been around for years!

Scorchio84 · 28/06/2023 02:42

MelonsOnSaleAgain · 27/06/2023 20:08

Presumably because he’s waited so long to finish anything he has, quite literally, lost the plot(s)

😂

sashh · 28/06/2023 05:57

Morghulis · 27/06/2023 05:58

The issue wasn’t the overall story points of the ending, it was the execution. The fight with the Night King was far too short - building up this enemy for 7 seasons just to be over in a couple episodes. It should have been a whole season for that. Dany also needed a much longer descent into madness. Instead she went from a “bit ruthless/overreactive at times” to full on mad in a few episodes. It felt jarring and out of character. Ayra barely used the skills she learned other than her one off stab which was dumb and bran’s plot line was also rushed. We could have done with a couple more seasons to do it all properly.

I disagree, the Targaryen's did go suddenly mad.

What I hated about the last series was the time warps, places that had been weeks travel suddenly took a few mins, even with a dragon it should have taken longer.

Also Nymeria's story was cut so much. Just a single meeting.

PicturesOfDogs · 28/06/2023 07:53

sashh · 28/06/2023 05:57

I disagree, the Targaryen's did go suddenly mad.

What I hated about the last series was the time warps, places that had been weeks travel suddenly took a few mins, even with a dragon it should have taken longer.

Also Nymeria's story was cut so much. Just a single meeting.

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I feel like all the wolves were done dirty.

LoobyDop · 28/06/2023 08:32

Book Tyrion was definitely a darker, less sympathetic character than TV Tyrion- the side of him that came out at his trial, when he was consumed with rage and seemed to want vengeance for his outsider status against everyone was a lot more dominant in the books. It’s been a long time since I read them, but wasn’t his relationship with Shae also a lot more transactional? Far less a love story, and more master and concubine.

anonacfr · 05/07/2023 21:29

He's also really angry that Sansa doesn't want to consummate their marriage. If they followed the late medieval inspiration for the books, ending should have been cousins Sansa and Jon marrying to unite the 7 kingdoms.

baloosbaloos · 05/07/2023 21:43

I never got over the femicide thing. He strangled his lover to death. Can’t stand that he was portrayed as a good guy after that.

latetothefisting · 05/07/2023 22:27

sashh · 28/06/2023 05:57

I disagree, the Targaryen's did go suddenly mad.

What I hated about the last series was the time warps, places that had been weeks travel suddenly took a few mins, even with a dragon it should have taken longer.

Also Nymeria's story was cut so much. Just a single meeting.

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which Targaryens went suddenly mad? There weren't really that many of them that were completely insane anyway, and those that were had some signs from birth. Dany's father was one of the 'mad' ones but he's described as always being a bit erratic and then developed schizophrenia after being imprisoned in a dungeon for half a year which is fairly understandable, compared to spending 7 years aiming to take back a city then destroying it for no discernible reason when it had already surrendered...

anonacfr · 05/07/2023 22:31

There were loads of references to the Targaryens being unbalanced, how often do they bring the whole (I paraphrase) when a Targaryen is born, the gods throw a dice and the world holds its breath?

3BSHKATS · 05/07/2023 22:34

I read this and thought you meant that poor boy on Love Island

DrSbaitso · 05/07/2023 22:36

The problem was that Dany's descent into madness was far, far too quick. She'd been through tons of shit before that without losing her mind, in fact her whole arc seemed to be about the liberating concept that we aren't our parents and we aren't doomed to be like them.

DrSbaitso · 05/07/2023 22:36

3BSHKATS · 05/07/2023 22:34

I read this and thought you meant that poor boy on Love Island

Close enough.

anonacfr · 05/07/2023 22:49

DrSbaitso · 05/07/2023 22:36

The problem was that Dany's descent into madness was far, far too quick. She'd been through tons of shit before that without losing her mind, in fact her whole arc seemed to be about the liberating concept that we aren't our parents and we aren't doomed to be like them.

See, I didn't see it like that. Once she gained power she increasingly claimed her Targaryen birth right.

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