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Needing help from both side of the family?

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Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 13:53

At the end of 2021 I had a life changing illness.

This has resulted in me having to have surgeries. Whilst I’m recovering from surgery I’m pretty much unable to leave sofa/bed for 8-12 weeks.

We have 2 DS 8 year old and 5 year old.

So as you can imagine we have needed a lot of help with the boys/school runs/pick ups etc. DH works full time.

The first time I had my surgery it was unexpected, everyone in my family rallied round to help look after me and the boys-most of this responsibility fell on the shoulders of my mother. She’s in her 70’s this was up in the morning to help me, get the boys ready, take them to school, back to pick them up in the afternoon, give them tea she also did little jobs like the washing etc. My auntie was cooking meals for us and bringing them round. My MIL offered to come and help only when I was in hospital-hubby was off work and declined and said he needed the help when he goes back to work.

As you can imagine it didn’t take long for this to all become too much for my poor mum. We reached out to my MIL to see if she can help with a school pick up once a week-she refused and said it’s my mum’s responsibility to do it and she only lives 5 minutes away and really couldn’t understand why she doesn’t want too, she then went on to say a lot of nasty things about my mum and myself. I actually resulted in a big family feud between MIL, DH and myself. DH on my side as MiL is very bitter and twisted and a difficult woman.

MIL reluctantly apologised and surgery 2 she offered to come and do some cleaning for us (only at weekends when DH was home) which just involved her sitting around drinking tea, not cleaning anything apart from a little dusting. Following DH around and generally being more of a hindrance. We said again it’s childcare we need help with.

Surgery 3 is now in the pipeline-we are now aware of what we need to make life easier and employed a childminder to pick up a few times a week and to have over the school holidays and a cleaner once a week. We have asked MIL to do 6 school pick ups. Since asking she’s already dropped out of 2 as she had appointment (morning I might add) and she’s now making noises that she might not be able to do the others due to further appointments. As this is a planned surgery for myself I feel like she could arrange her appointments accordingly.

This is now causing constant ongoing rows between myself and my DH I’m miffed this is a huge nightmare that we are living as a family that she thinks it’s ok to not to put herself out for a few weeks to help us.

She is not close to the her grandchildren. She does not interact with them at all she is very awkward and cold around them.

She has my nephew twice a week after school and twice a week in the holidays.

I’m really struggling to be civil to her and hate it when my DH meets up with her like everything is ok. Even though he fully agrees that it’s not ok what she is doing.

At the end of the day the children are our responsibility but I do not feel we’ve been unreasonable to ask for support at a time when family should come together.

OP posts:
OwlBabiesAreCute · 25/06/2023 13:58

My pride would stop me from asking for anything ever again.

Can another parent from the DS' school help on those occasions?

ComeTheFuckOnBridgett · 25/06/2023 13:58

Is there anyone else that could help out sometimes?

If your mum is in her 70's I'm guessing mil is around the same kind of age? Maybe she just can't do it as much as she wants to/says she will.

Hope you're better soon.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:05

ComeTheFuckOnBridgett · 25/06/2023 13:58

Is there anyone else that could help out sometimes?

If your mum is in her 70's I'm guessing mil is around the same kind of age? Maybe she just can't do it as much as she wants to/says she will.

Hope you're better soon.

Yes she is similar age, but it’s short term we need help with and she’s constantly putting up excuses and cancelling.

This is why we have the childminder so we have regular, reliable help. There are a few gaps when she is closed that we need help.

My mum will still need to come up in the mornings to get them ready/take to school.

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Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:06

Tell me about it! We are asking as that’s what family’s are supposed to do help out etc.

This is why we have the childminder but there are occasions when she’s full/ closed we need help.

My mum is doing every morning.

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Azaeleasinbloom · 25/06/2023 14:07

Sorry you are having to deal with what sounds like a really nasty illness.

It is absolutely fine to ask for help when you need it, and it’s disappointing that your MIL initially agreed, but now is renaging on her word. But she is within her rights to say no, for whatever reason. It’s nice if family can help, but it’s not an obligation.

Babdoc · 25/06/2023 14:11

What goes round, comes round, as the locals say here in Scotland.
When your MIL becomes older and needs help at home, I do hope you will find lots of “appointments” that prevent you offering any.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 25/06/2023 14:13

Can your husband not get the children up and out in the morning? Are your father and FIL deceased or not around?

There just seems to be an assumption that if you can't do it then obviously your mother and MIL should, but it sounds like a lot for elderly women to take on.

Opaque11 · 25/06/2023 14:17

But why are you expecting her to be your cleaner?? That is out of order really and if I was your dh I would be livid if he expected my mum to come and clean our house. You pay for a cleaner for that! Also, this is a planned surgery so why not make proper arrangements for your dc school pickups ? I get once in a while is doable but expecting people to commit to cleaning your house and doing regular school trips need to be paid and arranged.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:21

Karma!

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ComeTheFuckOnBridgett · 25/06/2023 14:21

Have you not got any siblings or friends that could help?

I'm all for helping people out when they need it but I wouldn't be expecting my 70 year old mil to run around and do stuff for me if I could help it (unless she offered).

It's really nice that your mums being able to help you a lot but if it's a planned surgery you should have enough time to sort something out properly without if falling down to older parents.

Is there a reason why your husband can't do more?

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:23

Unfortunately not he leaves home at 5am and gets home between 5/6pm depending on traffic.

It’s not an assumption, we have covered most of it with professional childcare but there are gaps in this that we need help with.

Are families not supposed to help in times of need?

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Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:24

I did not expect her to to clean she offered, she only did it once as it was an excuse to come over and follow hubby around all afternoon.

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ThePM · 25/06/2023 14:26

I think you’re unreasonable to still have an hope that she will.

the reality is she doesn’t want to and won’t be doing it. Everyone knows it. So make other arrangements.

why are you arguing with your husband about it. She’s saying no, not him.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:26

My brother works overseas, I’m estranged from my father. My FIL/MIL are separated he has no relationship with the grandchildren.

We have covered at least 80% of it with professional childcare but there are a few gaps that we need help with. It’s simply collecting them from school (5 minutes walk) and doing them some beans on toast and wait until hubby gets home,

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UsingChangeofName · 25/06/2023 14:27

Just stop asking her.

but also, ask friends. What about their school friends ?
I remember more than once (different dc) when mine were similar ages, when a Mum in the class had cancer - surgery - chemo - and so many of the other parents in the class rallied round to help. As a parents collecting my dc from school, it's no big deal to bring another child home, give them tea, deliver them to cubs or wherever. You need to let people know what help would be appreciated though.

GoodChat · 25/06/2023 14:28

Your husband needs to ask his work to be flexible for those 6 days

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:29

We have made arrangements for 80% of it there are a few gaps that’s we’ve asked for.

There is a lot of water under the bridge. I can never forgive her for what she has said about me. I resent DH being able to even speak to her after these things and still refusing to help in a crisis even though she is fit and able and it’s a temporary situation.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 25/06/2023 14:29

Are families not supposed to help in times of need?

Well yes, ideally, if they can. But she can't, like your brother can't, and your FIL can't - either because she genuinely has appointments she can't/doesn't want to rearrange, or because she's struggling to look after them.

You need a different solution. It'd be ideal if she could do more, but she can't, and arguing with your husband won't change that - so stop asking her to do things. My pride would stop me asking her to do anything, you might feel differently. Could you have a back-up childminder? Ask friends?

ModeWeasel · 25/06/2023 14:29

Sorry you have had a tough time. It would be nice if people helped out. However you are not entitled to help from anyone so if the answer is no I would just let it go and use your energy elsewhere.

NerrSnerr · 25/06/2023 14:30

For whatever reason she can't/ doesn't want to help so you need to sort it elsewhere. What about your dad? Does he have a long commute or is he working 11-12 hours 5 days a week? Can your children be difficult to manage at times? Could that be the reason?

ThunderStormPlease · 25/06/2023 14:32

Your DH needs to be flexible on those days, don't ask her for anything else. Infact when she needs your help one day and it will happen, remind her of this.

chopc · 25/06/2023 14:34

As this is elective surgery, I suggest you make plans for the other 20% of the time as well.

It is also a big deal for your mum to commit to coming over every single day for 6-8 weeks except the weekends . I am glad she is OK with it but be aware that this is a big ask

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/06/2023 14:37

TheYearOfSmallThings · 25/06/2023 14:13

Can your husband not get the children up and out in the morning? Are your father and FIL deceased or not around?

There just seems to be an assumption that if you can't do it then obviously your mother and MIL should, but it sounds like a lot for elderly women to take on.

This

I don't understand why you need so much help. Millions of single parents manage to work and sort school runs and childcare by themselves.

Topee · 25/06/2023 14:43

Your DH should be asking work for temporary flexible hours.

It’s lovely if family are willing and able to help, but they are not obligated to do so and for whatever reason your MIL doesn’t want to.

If your husband changed his hours then you could relieve your Mum of helping every day too if she struggled last time.

billy1966 · 25/06/2023 14:46

Different issues.

Your husband shouldn't be requiring help cleaning the home, women certainly wouldn't if the situation was reversed and I think you are out of order in this case, by all means pay a cleaner to come in.

His mother doesn't want to help and that is clear.

This is one of those times where you need to approach the school for help with someone in the class who lives near you, that might help.
Would a neighbour help, or know a teen that might?

Let your husband navigate his own relationship with his mother, but once well you need never feel the need to engage with her again.

She is allowed to choose not to be involved and you are allowed to choose how you respond going forward.

You can't change who she is.

Focus your energies on getting help from elsewhere.

Would an au pair make sense?

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