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Needing help from both side of the family?

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Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 13:53

At the end of 2021 I had a life changing illness.

This has resulted in me having to have surgeries. Whilst I’m recovering from surgery I’m pretty much unable to leave sofa/bed for 8-12 weeks.

We have 2 DS 8 year old and 5 year old.

So as you can imagine we have needed a lot of help with the boys/school runs/pick ups etc. DH works full time.

The first time I had my surgery it was unexpected, everyone in my family rallied round to help look after me and the boys-most of this responsibility fell on the shoulders of my mother. She’s in her 70’s this was up in the morning to help me, get the boys ready, take them to school, back to pick them up in the afternoon, give them tea she also did little jobs like the washing etc. My auntie was cooking meals for us and bringing them round. My MIL offered to come and help only when I was in hospital-hubby was off work and declined and said he needed the help when he goes back to work.

As you can imagine it didn’t take long for this to all become too much for my poor mum. We reached out to my MIL to see if she can help with a school pick up once a week-she refused and said it’s my mum’s responsibility to do it and she only lives 5 minutes away and really couldn’t understand why she doesn’t want too, she then went on to say a lot of nasty things about my mum and myself. I actually resulted in a big family feud between MIL, DH and myself. DH on my side as MiL is very bitter and twisted and a difficult woman.

MIL reluctantly apologised and surgery 2 she offered to come and do some cleaning for us (only at weekends when DH was home) which just involved her sitting around drinking tea, not cleaning anything apart from a little dusting. Following DH around and generally being more of a hindrance. We said again it’s childcare we need help with.

Surgery 3 is now in the pipeline-we are now aware of what we need to make life easier and employed a childminder to pick up a few times a week and to have over the school holidays and a cleaner once a week. We have asked MIL to do 6 school pick ups. Since asking she’s already dropped out of 2 as she had appointment (morning I might add) and she’s now making noises that she might not be able to do the others due to further appointments. As this is a planned surgery for myself I feel like she could arrange her appointments accordingly.

This is now causing constant ongoing rows between myself and my DH I’m miffed this is a huge nightmare that we are living as a family that she thinks it’s ok to not to put herself out for a few weeks to help us.

She is not close to the her grandchildren. She does not interact with them at all she is very awkward and cold around them.

She has my nephew twice a week after school and twice a week in the holidays.

I’m really struggling to be civil to her and hate it when my DH meets up with her like everything is ok. Even though he fully agrees that it’s not ok what she is doing.

At the end of the day the children are our responsibility but I do not feel we’ve been unreasonable to ask for support at a time when family should come together.

OP posts:
NowItsSpring · 25/06/2023 14:51

Your MIL has shown you who she is and unfortunately she is unlikely to change. Have you spoken to school? Is there another parent who lives nearby who might help. I do regular school runs 3 days a week for my grandchildren and was approached to see if I would be willing to help a family who were struggling in similar circumstances. I literally walked past the end of their road so did drop offs when needed. School staff also helped out a couple of days.

MrsJellycat · 25/06/2023 14:52

It's shitty when family won't step in and help. My family was the same when I was unwell a few years ago. Let's just say I won't be caring for my parents in their old age.

Is there a FB group for parents of the school your kids go to? On the one for the primary school my kids went to there used to be lots of posts asking for help with school pick ups for situations like yours. Other parents and grandparents were always only too happy to help out, even if they didn't know the parent requesting help.

I think most decent people will try to help someone if they're unwell like you are

Screwballs · 25/06/2023 14:56

I'm finding your tone difficult to sympathise with. Yes its lovely if everyone helps everyone, but no, families aren't there to have demands made of them. You also make no mention of what you/DP do for your mother or MIL that leads you to believe they should be be owing you all this.

I'm sorry you are ill, but you are sounding quite entitled here.

BigChesterDraws · 25/06/2023 14:57

Is this related to the accident you had? If so, I’d there anyway way to claim for professional help (cleaner, child minder, etc) through the insurance or the responsible party?

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:57

Thank you

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AhNowTed · 25/06/2023 14:57

Has your DH made no adjustments..

Has he approached his company to temporarily change his hours?

Expecting all of this to fall on elderly parents is a bit much.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 14:59

Yes he has, he’s going in late sometimes to drop them off to breakfast club.

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RedHandGangMember · 25/06/2023 15:00

You can't change who she is.

I agree. You've asked her and asked her and asked her. She doesn't want to.

If there are not a few gaps then your husband will have to fill them. Or one of his friends or one of your friends. Something like that. Because your MIL isn't going to do it.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 15:01

We ask for no help from my MiL and this time we have asked under exceptional circumstances.

All through covid I did all her shopping as she didn’t want to go to the supermarket and hubby delivered it there every single week. Which I have not given another thought to until now.

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JobzaGoodun · 25/06/2023 15:02

It's nice if families can/want to rally round, but it should never be an expectation as it's not a responsibility.

You need to add your MIL to the same list as the father, father in law, and brother who also cannot/will not help.

Playdoughcaterpillar · 25/06/2023 15:09

Lots of students around this time of year that would be keen for a few hours babysitting. Ask on a local mums group?

nevynevster · 25/06/2023 15:10

JobzaGoodun · 25/06/2023 15:02

It's nice if families can/want to rally round, but it should never be an expectation as it's not a responsibility.

You need to add your MIL to the same list as the father, father in law, and brother who also cannot/will not help.

Yes, I am truly sorry to hear you have such life changing illness and I am sure so many surgeries must be very stressful.

However this seems a lot of demands on your family to help and whilst I am sure some of my family would pitch in if I were in your situation, not all of them would.

It's quite reasonable to ask, it's also reasonable of them to refuse. They don't need to justify to you. Maybe MIL feels like she hasn't bonded with the Kids, maybe she feels your mum gets all the grandma love and she gets none. Maybe she just isn't that into kids !

I can't believe your DH work wouldn't allow him some time off to help eg leaving early and I think you need more help than a childminder. By the sounds of it you really need a nanny or mother's help ie someone who can do everything that is needed and can be relied upon. Childminders are great but you are incapacitated and you need way more help than this, including a cleaner too.

Good luck and try to focus on your health and recovery and just forget expectations on relatives.

alltoomuchrightnow · 25/06/2023 15:11

I would never in a million years expect or ask ANY member of my family to come round and do anything for me,, least of all, cleaning. Never have, never will.
Even when I was home alone with a broken shoulder and therefore couldn't drive (and live middle of nowhere) I managed alone. No member of family visited . I just got on with it all one armed in a lot of pain. It wasn't fun, admittedly.
but no.. I'd never ask for cleaning

peeinthepool · 25/06/2023 15:14

Sounds like a very difficult situation but no one has the right to expect unpaid childcare from grandparents.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 15:16

I agree with you, he shouldn’t need help cleaning the home! We have never asked MiL for this, she offered as an excuse to come and see him at the weekend.

We have paid a cleaner to start after my surgery.

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RidingMyBike · 25/06/2023 15:16

TBH I've found friends to be a lot more help than family. We had zero family help when DD was born and I had health problems.

I have however provided a lot of practical help to a friend in a similar situation to you with major surgery and 3 young children. But the family outsourced as much as possible by using wraparound childcare and paying for a cleaner. Could a different friend help you out on different days? That's what we've done with a family at school when the mum was having cancer treatment.

I hope everything goes smoothly for your operation.

Secondwindplease · 25/06/2023 15:19

To be honest I think you’ve imposed enough on your mother and MIL already. It’s your husbands job to pick up the slack when you’re unwell and if he has to take parental leave then so be it.

Drives me barmy when people think that older women’s time is just freely available for them to tax as they see fit.

Morphmorph · 25/06/2023 15:19

It's nice if families can help but if they can't or won't then that's just how it is. They are not obligated to help you and I can kind of understand her being miffed if she's being forced to help when she clearly doesn't want to.

jeaux90 · 25/06/2023 15:22

OP with all respect thousands of us lone parents mange to work and take our kids to school, use after school clubs etc, we also manage to clean our houses and do our washing.

Your DH needs to speak to his work and get some flexibility built in for a while so he can drop the kids off at school or earlier by using a breakfast club maybe.

I have absolutely no help from family, I have recently got a cleaner which is nice but honestly whilst it would be nice to get your family to help out I don't think you should expect it.

RidingMyBike · 25/06/2023 15:22

And could your husband arrange to do flexible working/reduced hours for a few weeks to do the schoolrun etc? I know we'd bend over backwards for this kind of thing at work as it's a fixed timeframe.

Or could he take unpaid parental leave for a while for the worst bit? That way you wouldn't need to pay a cleaner (admittedly my DH fitted in cleaning the house around a full time job but many men seem to be incapable of this).

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 15:23

To be clear, we never asked her to clean…she offered as an excuse to come and see DH at the weekend. I agree he should be able to manage to run the hoover and multipurpose around at the weekend like millions of other working families do-he does not cope with any extra stress.

I’m on full bed rest, I am not allowed to move apart from to the bathroom.

The children are the responsibility of DH and myself we have covered most of it with childminder/breakfast clubs. There are gaps in this (6) which we asked for help with from MiL asked not expected. She agreed and then has let us down. This is a temporary problem not something we will need every week. We’ve given plenty of notice.

She has always been difficult and nasty to myself, this has always caused a rift between DH and myself the way she has been has opened his eyes but he will still see her and make excuses for her.

DH work has been flexible to an extent, he is supposed to start at 6am so him doing a breakfast club/school run makes him very late but he’s been agreed on a few occasions (unpaid).

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mcmooberry · 25/06/2023 15:25

The results of the vote are - once again - mind blowing. In what world do people not rally round to help a family member who has just had surgery?! It's school picks ups for crying out loud, not full time childcare for weeks on end!

I am very sorry you are having this stress on top of everything else, I would see if school parents could help, I'm sure they would.

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 15:27

Thank you so much. Perfectly put! Yes it’s temporary support.

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FirstTimeNameChanger · 25/06/2023 15:32

You are being unreasonable to expect more from her. She has, very clearly, shown you that she will not be a help to you. At all. Of course that's disappointing, but life is sometimes. You need to accept that she won't help you. Not even with the small things

billy1966 · 25/06/2023 15:36

Sarahmille80 · 25/06/2023 15:01

We ask for no help from my MiL and this time we have asked under exceptional circumstances.

All through covid I did all her shopping as she didn’t want to go to the supermarket and hubby delivered it there every single week. Which I have not given another thought to until now.

OP,

Well you have every right to NOW tell your husband that YOU will NEVER forget this and you will NEVER be involved with her care going forward.

Actions have consequences and I for one have seen variations of it.

I see nothing wrong in people establishing new boundaries when those close to them choose to be unavailable and unhelpful when you are stuck..

About 16 years ago my younger friend had two boys 5 and 6 and during the crash of 2007 her husband had to work away in the middle east.

She is a teacher and it was hard doing it all alone.

Her in laws were newly retired and living 15 minutes away.

They had always gotten on well but hadn't ever needed them for anything, and they never babysat or anything like.

A few times she had been stuck but they were too busy and unable to help.

Their daughter lived abroad and they did however like to come for Christmas and Easter lunch.

She told her husband that she wasn't doing Christmas this year as she was exhausted and HE could tell his busy parents the news.

He made the big mistake of telling her she was over reacting.

School finished up and she packed up the boys and went to stay with her parents for a week to rest up.

Her husband was pissed off and she hung up on him.

He did tell his parents and he did travel to her parents for the holidays.

Things were strained for a long time and her husband was very much put in his place, having no idea how hard it was holding the fort at home.

As far as my friend was concerned it changed how she viewed her in laws and whilst she remained polite of course, she felt under zero obligation to accommodate them going forward in the same way.

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