Male victimization / Female perpetration

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The other thread is rightly not the right place for this conversation but the idea the 99% that men are perpetrators 99% of the time and women are victims 99% of the time is as much a rape myth as any other myth. It confirms a bias and ideology that woman believe is true but isn't supported by actual research. There are many issues in who reports what and how it gets into statistics but when you look at broader population studies, the numbers don't support these 'myths'. That doesn't mean there still isn't gendered violence but the actual statistics are not accurately portrayed in most fact sheet / website style information.

This was a bit of a landmark study from a few years ago in the USA
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2014.301946

Part 2 of it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178916301446

This research has led to hundreds of additional articles.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1097184X16652656?journalCode=jmma
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ab.21482
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1079063213503688?journalCode=saxb

Report on IPV - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf

Even this research on desire shows how gendered social norms override reality
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02525-y

Could you summarise?

I was under the impression it was over 90% of perpetrators were male and over 70% of victims were female for example

The later point is often overlooked and does make it even more difficult for men to report abuse

The first is based on a landmark study by the USA’s CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), for example, found that women and men reported a nearly equal prevalence of nonconsensual sex in a 12-month period (Stemple & Meyer, 2014). Because most male victims reported female perpetrators, we felt additional research was needed to better understand sexual victimization that runs counter to traditional assumptions about the sex of perpetrators.

Then one of the links is from a German study of Uni students that found
This study examined the prevalence of sexual aggression and victimization in a large convenience sample of N = 2,149 first-year college students from different universities in Germany….The overall perpetration rate was 13.2%, for men and 7.6% for women. The overall victimization rate was 35.9% for women and 19.4% for men. A disparity between victimization and perpetration reports was found for both men and women.

Another of the OPs link is to a study on pedophilic desire/feelings
Participants (262 females and 173 males) were recruited online and completed a questionnaire assessing sexual interest and adverse childhood experiences. Among men, 6% indicated some likelihood of having sex with a child if they were guaranteed they would not be caught or punished, as did 2% of women. Nine percent of males and 3% of females indicated some likelihood of viewing child pornography on the Internet. Overall, nearly 10% of males and 4% of females reported some likelihood of having sex with children or viewing child pornography.

The IPV link has tons of stats, best you follow that one.

Last link to springer didn’t work for me for some reason.

In England and Wales, a rape is committed if someone intentionally penetrates the vagina, mouth or anus of another person and that other person does not consent to the penetration.

Therefore, in England and Wales as a matter of law, biological women cannot rape. They may commit sexual assault, but it isn't rape.

In the UK the ONS report shows 98 % of sexual assaults and rapes were committed by men. HTH

@jotunn , that's the law, just as until quite recently it wasn't possible for a man to rape his wife as she had consented during the marriage ceremony.

I've a male friend who was raped (sex without consent) by women and not only was he traumatised, he genuinely didn't think he could report it due to the risk of a revenge accusation and her being believed over him.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02525-y

The ons is more neutral than a study looking to uncover a predetermined effect

The ons does make clear a lot is unwanted touching

Rape is a specific thing where the risk of pregnancy compounds the assault

Interesting as the physical differences would make it much easier for a male to resist in most cases - I couldn't get near DH as he can hold me at arms length with one arm

When you read the accounts of sexual assault by men, there are many variables at play. They think they are supposed to always want sex, they have been conditioned to never use any force against a woman, they are scared of allegations being made against them, they are confused if they get an erection even if they don't want sex, they are intoxicated or wake up to someone assaulting them, they get told it isn't really sexual assault if they tell someone, they get told they got 'lucky' even if they didn't want it, they feel humiliated etc.

There are a plethora of reasons why both men and women don't often physically fight off someone assaulting them - especially when that person is known to them.

I've bookmarked thread to follow. I wouldn't usually say I've done that but I've just posted on the other one saying the people who choose threads about not all men it highlight women sexually abuse men rarely start their own ti talk abijt that issues and so im just acknowledging that I can see someone did start their own. I'll work through those links.

Why have you added voting OP?

Not intentionally. It is the default and you have to remember to remove it and I didn't.

This did actually happen to a friend of mine. He is 6 foot plus and was in a very unhappy marriage. His wife wanted another child but he didn't (the marriage was in extreme difficulty, they had no sex life). He was drinking frequently and woke up to find her having sex with him. Their second child was conceived in this way and they never had sex again.

I would have been sceptical of these stories before I met him but in his case I believe it was true. His ex wife is someone who crosses boundaries frequently in many aspects of life. This would seem acceptable to her.

About once a year on reddit there are Ask Redditor threads about male victimization. All anecdotal but also give good insights.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/52kvpi/serious_men_who_have_been_raped_sexually/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/66hcf8/serious_men_who_have_been_raped_by_women_whats/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7fv16a/serious_men_who_have_been_sexually_assaulted_by/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/52kvpi/serious_men_who_have_been_raped_sexually/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jidoph/men_who_are_abused_by_woman_and_tried_to_tell/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6sp1wr/seriousmen_of_reddit_who_have_had_an_abusive_wife/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/akixkf/men_of_reddit_how_many_of_you_have_ever_been/

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/v73r4/men_who_have_been_raped_by_women_can_you_tell_us/

Also book marking for later review..

The under reporting of male sexual assault does not mean that all of these assaults were by females. Evidence shows otherwise.

Under reporting of male victims does not mean that the reporting of female victims is correct, plenty of reasons why and evidence of significant under reporting by females.

Incarcerated population is 0.15% in the UK.. unlikely to have a significant impact on total numbers.

82% of child abuse victims are female with 94% of their perpetrators being male, 18% male victims with 60% of those perpetrators being male... .. 88% of perpetrators are male.

I don't believe that anyone denies the existance of female abusers or that there is stigma associated with males reporting abuse by females but I would assert that the majority of perpetrators are male.

A quick skim of the first two articles did not convince me otherwise.... yet.... please do share quotes.. and statistics.

The first sentence of your post is incoherent. If you have an argument to make at least make it legible. I also see you quoting from reddit. It's hardly a reliable source is it? 😬

Chils abuse is about equal between male and female victims before puberty and then skews towards female victims post puberty.

All assaults of men are definitely not by females, but some are. And there is also abuse in same sex female relationships that shouldn't be dismissed or minimized because they are women.

I don't think that there is any disagreement that men are more likely to be abusers or assault women. However the argument is against the notion that men are only very rarely if ever victims and that women are only ever rarely if ever perpetrators. Men are also sexually assaulted, abused, physically assaulted and murdered on a regular basis and collectively more often than women. Violence isn't a women's only issue. And all women are not nurturing, caring, compassionate, well-intended people.

The idea that we shouldn't talk about male victims or female perpetrators is a problem. They do exist and in higher numbers than main stream media or websites purport. Men are 3-4 times more likely to kill themselves than women but it doesn't mean that women's mental health is irrelevant and shouldn't be discussed.

I clearly identified the reddit posts as anecdotal. They tell people's stories and give insight into the experience and personal lived exprience of male victims with regards to how they conceptualized what happened to them.

You are welcome to move on if the post was incoherent to you and you don't know what is being discussed.

A bit of a NAWALT (not all women are like that) post. I think this thread isn't about the women who aren't abusers. It is about the women who are and their victims.

There are legitimately many, many threads about women victims of sexual violence. It is only fair to avoid detailing one about male victims. Especially as there is anecdotal and statistical evidence that it is a much bigger issue than most people realise.

How on earth did she get him hard enough to perform, drunk to boot?
Wowzers

Can someone please post a statistical report on this because so far all I see is anecdotal reports.

The ONS stats are very clear. 98% of sexual offences and rapes are committed by men.

In secondary schools 8 out of 10 assaults on girls are committed by boys.

Are you really sure you want to argue that sexual arousal means you weren't assaulted?