To think that people like anti-abortionist Kristan Hawkins are the enemy of women and feminism everywhere

[Purplefoxes]

Maybe extreme but..I was just reading this BBC article (link below) on Kristan Hawkins and it made my blood boil as I am pro choice. She is the woman from the US organisation Students for Life of America and has been instrumental in over turning Roe v Wade. She is now on the back of this 'success' campaigning for total abortion ban across America . The overturning of Roe V Wade is a decision which will likely result in the death or debilitation of many pregnant women who either cannot access much needed abortions for health reasons or try to access back street illegal abortions or could even commit suicide as a result. Not to mention there could be many unwanted children dumped into the care system or brought up in abusive environments. I just cannot fathom why anyone, let alone a woman would do this. I'm sure if it was one of her kids who was pregnant and needed a medical abortion to save their life she'd change her tune! How blinkered does a person have to be to not think of the impact of banning abortion on both women and children! And how has such medieval policy been allowed to happen in modern day America..could this happen in the UK?! Are we losing our rights as women? When did the life of a fetus become more important than the life of its mother?

BBC article

Eh? How the hell do you even know how old I am? Hint, not young!

It's not shit, it's scientific fact.

You're right that we should stop. I remain thankful that people like you remain a minority in this country but I won't stop calling out your anti-woman bullshit everytime you start spouting it.

@nothingcomestonothing "So basically if a woman has an abortion for a reason you think is okay it's a medical procedure. If she has one for a reason you think isn't okay, it's stealing a baby's life"

Not for a reason that I think is ok. The traditional exceptions that are now in place when a woman wants to have an abortion after the legal cutoff. Danger for the life of the mother (I believe this includes psychological pathologies too, and rightly so), rape or incest. Even in these cases a baby's life is stolen, that doesn't change. It's the lesser of two evils.

If you ban abortion that baby's life isn't saved. You just make it more likely the woman will die or be significantly harmed as well.

Please at least get your facts straight.

But a foetus is parasitic. It drains the mother of everything which is why we need to eat and drink certain things. Not only to ensure the baby has was its needs, but the mother too.

Look at the mothers who suffer from HG. The doctors are rarely concerned for the fetus. It’s taking what it needs from the mother. It’s the mother they have to really focus on.

@Recoveringcynic you don't get to call me anti woman just because I don't think we should trivialise abortion. Half of those babies we are flippantly disposing off are female!

I've had HG twice, I know how hard pregnancy is, thanks.
I know the term parasitic is scientifically correct, but it grates on me the way that it's used, particularly when trying to trivialise the bond between the infant and its mother, that's all.

It's not surprising at all, not with women who grew up going to conservative Evangelical churches where they have been taught throughout their lives that abortion is the killing of an innocent baby and therefore as sinful.

I know a lot of women who have these views (including my SIL.) They are very sincere. They believe that they’re protecting innocent lives. They’re really not trying to control other women’s lives. (Although there is a lack of ability to see other points of view.)

There’s a tendency to see everything in black and white terms, with no shades of grey.

Isn't a parasite usually a different species?

I’ve had HG and severe SPD that led me bed bound in the same pregnancy. I will still say parasitic.

I’ve had miscarriages of much wanted babies. I had miscarriages where I’ve been thankful it’s happened.

Abortions are going to happen, either safely and legally, or unsafely and illegally. Those are the 'two evils', if you think of abortion in those terms, not abortion or none but safe or unsafe.

Oh yes I do get to call you that. Forced birth is anti woman. Nothing you can say will convince me that your views are anything other than deeply misogynistic.

@Soubriquet ouch, I had SPD with my second too, but luckily only during the last trimester.
I'm sorry for your losses.

@Soubriquet No, parasitic is a close relationship between different species, so you are using the term incorrectly I think?

Some extreme prolifers have very flexible personal codes: joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

Of course these abortions would still happen even if there was a ban. Just like the abortions of the daughters, wives, lovers, rape victims of wealthy male policy makers/influencers.

The baby and the placenta have a different genotype from the mother, so you could technically say that their relationship is somehow parasitic, as the placenta relocates resources from the mother to the baby. I believe that's why that term is used, but I might be wrong

Does having a different genotype make the baby a different species to its mother?

@user9630721458 well obviously no 🤣
I believe is just that the relationship between particularly the placenta and the mother can be characterised as parasitic?

@Recoveringcynic if my eyes could roll any further up my head I'd be blind by now 🤣🤣🤣

I don't much care about the ins and outs of whether or not the baby is a parasite. Where there is a choice to be made, the life that is already here comes first. The alternatives to that are already being played out all over the world - death, unjust imprisonment, orphaned children.

I really have problems with the moral compass of people who think this is a good outcome.

MN we need a like button, for this post.

@MrsLully Yes, it could be meant loosely but I think it's scientifically incorrect. The parasitic relationship is between species.

Ah good to know! I never liked it anyway so now I get to make a snarky remark if somebody uses it 🤣

I'm glad you find forcing women to give birth to unwanted babies so amusing. I know we've covered your ignorance extensively but not sure why the logical conclusion of your arguments is so hilarious.

@Recoveringcynic is your self righteousness what's making me laugh.
If you don't agree with me you must be EEEEVIL. It's infantile, that's all. I though we'd agree to stop though, come on

The average aborted foetus in the UK is about the size of an Aldi frozen king prawn.

I'm judged for lots of things, not wearing make-up, preferring duck eggs to cake, working in a man job. It is not my problem, it is the problem of people who choose to judge.

Self declared judges often have their own private agenda.