To think it’s ironic all the stops are being pulled to rescue 5 people from a submarine

[MrsMillhouse]

Yet…. The world allows a boat with hundreds including children to sink

I feel fine thanks @ThreeCoursesForMe I’m capable of seeing the situation through multiple lenses. Obviously it is terrifying for those on board the submarine and terrible for their families - this goes without saying. I’m also aware of the wild irony of the situation, which, to me at least, is the more interesting thing to discuss.

My conscience is clear - my words have absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this 🫤

Do I have less sympathy for these people than for migrants in boats? Yes, absolutely. These people decided freely to take this risk, migrants in boats have been pushed into a very risky situation through desperation, fear and exploitation.

Forgive me, but the Americans built the 9/11 memorial and inscribed it, so isn’t it therefore up to Iraq to build their own war memorial and inscribe it?

In fact, I don’t think there is a single war memorial built by the attacking country to memorialise those that they killed.

When Japan built their Hiroshima war memorial in 1996 for those hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by the American nuclear bomb, the U.S. and China even objected to the Japanese building it.

So I’m not sure what you were expecting?

They turned white as their bank balance went up.

You have to realise that on mumsnet it doesn’t matter what the colour of your skin is. As soon as you become rich then you are classed as white

Like historic slave traders were all British

Who's name?

Heh. If you are taking a steer on what’s acceptable from the NYT you’re in one hell of a bad place.

*whose

OPs faux outrage is as nauseating as the comments about white wealthy Northern Europeans.

Keep going with creating more of a divide why don’t you.

At least @BCCGoAway has brought some rationality to this absolute mess of a thread but interesting to see the hatred spewed forth by some.

Vile thought processes on here but helpful to understand how some view certain groups.

@AgathaSpencerGregson I'm making the point that it is being reported and you can guarantee that once the search is either successful or called off, similar articles elsewhere will be written.

Yes, once it's called off, not while it's on-going. Do you not see how distasteful it is to be discussing this while these men's lives hang in the balance? It's not okay.

@RosettaTheGardenFairy no. I don't think it's distasteful at all. Nobody is wishing them harm. They are just highlighting the inequality.

I said the exact same thing to DD last night OP. How come the worlds media and International rescue services are scrambling to cover/help 5 otherwise unknown (but wealthy) people on a submarine they have chosen to be in for leisure purposes and saying what a terrible tragedy it is, yet we are quite happy to allow refugees to take risky crossings and die in their attempt to do so-and if they do make it, we are hell bent on sending them back to whatever dangerous situation they were trying to flee-or to Rwanda which is not much better.

The argument is that they are economic migrants and somehow 'bad' people (which is in lots of cases inaccurate anyway) so we should therefore just let them drown. Whereas the rich people on this submarine are worthy of spending lots of money and time on rescuing because they are Rich and therefore must be 'good' people.

It's frankly disturbing.

I've actually got every sympathy for the people on the submarine. I can't think of anything more dreadful. They were to their minds enjoying a leisure activity they could afford and it's gone horribly wrong. But I dont understand the total juxtaposition of the outcry about these 5 individuals and the 'let them die' attitude towards refugees.

I agree. And faux outrage combined with false claims of racism “the world looked away” and so on actually harms us and our fight against racism.

I’m so sick of white people twisting facts to better sell their virtue signalling all to make themselves feel better about themselves.

I don’t think that is what the OP is saying. Both groups of people should be rescued and I hope they are; all lives bare precious.
It cannot be ignore though, that the reaction in the media, the amount of coverage, the resources directed at saving them and the sympathy and worry from many corners, is hugely unequal. I fear the constant Tory and right wing media rhetoric about small boat ‘invasions’ has insidiously and permanently entered the consciousness of much of the British public and altered their opinions. It’s done so gradually and repeatedly that I don’t think a lot of people realise it’s happening.
I wonder how the two events have been portrayed in other countries.

Every question that Rishi, or Suella are asked, they seem to manage to get in a sentence about stopping the boats. It is their mantra, and they know what they are doing by repeating it like a broken record. It is effective, and that is why they never miss an opportunity to spout it. Shame on them.

You lost me @I’m so sick of white people… etc etc @BCCGoAway

Nobody would argue that there aren't serious issues with certain tragedies receiving more news coverage than others.

The situation with migrant crossings is horrendous. However, this does not warrant that individuals should never be rescued from mountains or sailing accidents or any other situation.

Where a rescue situation is playing out in real time - of course this will be a different type of reporting to the way a tragedy is reported after the event. There is still hope something can be done.

Would the OP or anyone else on this thread not deserve media attention if they, or one if their family, was missing? What if you got lost while on holiday somewhere - skiing or hiking or canoeing and rescuers were searching for you for days? Should there be no media attention because of the situation with migrant boats? Should people say, 'oh look, they can afford a holiday while millions can't - it's their own fault.'

This thread is about a critical situation unfolding right NOW. The next 40 hours are critical. It is not reporting AFTER a tragedy. If it was, the reporting would be different. This thread is extremely poor taste in light of the fact these people have families who must be out if their minds right now. MN at its worst.

Nobody would argue that there aren't serious issues with certain tragedies receiving more news coverage than others

Oh, but they do and are.

I’m so sick of white people twisting facts to better sell their virtue signalling all to make themselves feel better about themselves.

I don’t think you’re alone in that

How come the worlds media and International rescue services are scrambling to cover/help 5 otherwise unknown (but wealthy) people on a submarine they have chosen to be in for leisure purposes and saying what a terrible tragedy it is, yet we are quite happy to allow refugees to take risky crossings and die in their attempt to do so

FFS no one is “happy” about the refugees in their boats attempting dangerous crossings! And as for “allow” this ain’t the British Empire no more, you have no ability to allow or disallow anyone from launching boats from anywhere in Turkey or Africa or France at all. That’s not in your power. You have no say. I know it’s hard to let go of the ‘We British, we rule the waves’ mindset, but you don’t rule the waves. Finally you do the RNLI and various Coast Guards a massive disservice, they are not “happy” to let people die. They rescue as many as they can. They track, approach and offer assistance and even if refused will monitor and step in if necessary.

Why on Earth are you feeding your children such arrant and hateful nonsense? You are confusing the words of right wing xenophobic politicians with the heroic actions of the actual men and women in the Coast Guards and RNLI.

They're both tragedies. I always feel awful for people when I imagine that their last moments must have been terror - that they had time to know they were going to die, but were powerless to stop it.

I suppose that private submarines full of rich people going missing while exploring famous shipwrecks are more unusual than unmaintained boats full of refugees sinking, and the press knows that unusual/weird stuff is more likely to make a "good" story and generate a lot of discussion.

Look at the coverage and subsequent online nonsense with Nicola Bulley - her husband did it, there's a cover up, a serial killer. Because it's unusual for a middle class woman to disappear. If she'd been a broke known drug addict, everyone would've shrugged and moved on as that is more who you "expect" to do a moonlight flit/complete suicide/meet a horrible fate.

I don’t think anyone is saying the lost submarine shouldn’t have lots of media attention, just that the migrant tragedy should have an equal amount!

This thread is mostly white people virtue signalling and as a Black woman, I am finding the formulaic, can’t even be bothered to do a basic fact check first virtue signalling sickening.

Hate rags gonna hate. Doesn’t excuse the sick puppies on here.

It's normal for unusual events to get more press.
For example killing of a child or an unusual murder in UK gets way more press than "bog standard street stabbing".
There were over 700 murders in uk 21-22, only handful got extensive caverage because they were somewhat unique and generated interest and sales for newspapes.

This is the same. Rescue for submarine by Titanic is just not happening often, is it.

Similarly children in danger reports. Many kids fall down wells, yet it is only couple who get live coverage on international TV. Eg. Reportedly another boy died after falling into well in Morocco only few days after the extensive coverage of the famous incident. No one cared then because at that point it stopped being too interesting for newspapers, thus people.

How can they have an "equal amount" of media attention? The migrant ship did not feature trapped passengers with 96 hours of oxygen who were possibly still alive. Those who were able to be rescued were rescued and cared for. It was not an ongoing story. Those poor people who drowned didn't have much time. Similarly the Thai Cave boys rescue caught the world's attention because it was an ongoing and horrible situation that people were hoping for a good outcome from.

ah, they are silly so lets just leave them to die a long painful death. Maybe getting on a small very over crowded boat is silly too but of course that view isn't allowed.