To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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@QuickWash

You discredit yourself with your first sentence.

@Naunet

So bullying is fine in certain circumstances?

There are some crackerjack teachers on this thread like, Im so please my elder teens dont have many more years left fortunately dont listen to all this bollocks being spouted in schools.

I hope many more Crystals appear!

The only bullying we have evidence of, is from the teacher, so should she be sacked? Or is that different for some reason?

Interpretation like the asylum part..

And yes, I do think that kids should be expelled for bullying.

Isn't that literally what PRU's are for?

There speaks someone who has no experience of questioning senior management and leadership headed up by headteachers who have it in for staff who question or challenge what they're instructed to do.

I don’t know, ask the people who think the teacher did nothing wrong in bullying these girls.

https://www.tiktok.com/@urgalcrystal/video/7245383841873923355?_r=1&_t=8dEqrgzepeE&social_sharing=v5

I'm ok with that @DataNotLore - your posts are impossible to engage properly with because of your insistence on focussing on tiny parts of the interaction alone and refusing to acknowledge the bigger picture.

You can ignore me and I shall ignore you!

@Naunet

You think that bullying is acceptable. Nothing you say is of any import after that.

not that long ago, a child pretending to be a cat (because that's what it is, pretence or cosplay) at school would have involved an adult chatting to them to check if they're ok and enquiring whether this is silly joking around stuff (like my daughters friend who pretended to be a unicorn at school for a year or two, yonks back and before the cult of stonewall) or signs of something more
serious, like underlying mental
illness. The teacher's response is utterly batshit and irresponsible in the extreme. It's fucking ridiculous and unsurprising that the child's peers have lost patience with it.
If this happened in my child's school I'd tell them to be kind but I wouldn't expect them to play along with it. I suspect these students have been expected to roleplay along with it to be kind and just lost patience with the bullshit.

i’m a teacher. We have mortgages, children to feed. Teachers have been sacked for not acknowledging pronouns.

I sympathise with you, not the teacher in the recording, but how far can one go with the need to pay one's mortgage? Is it really a good excuse for harming children?

They didn’t. At no point did the teacher threaten the pupil with expulsion.

Saying to a pupil that if their values (people who identify as a different gender are weird) don’t align with the school values then they perhaps should find another school is one of those things said quite regularly in schools. E.g. if you disagree with school uniform, feel free to find another school without one, because we are going to continue to enforce it.

Re the asylum comment - the teacher said that statements would be taken from both the girls and the pupil they upset. This would be school policy.

It is interesting that this post has remained in AIBU isn't it?

I can think of no others that have lasted this long out in the open.

Hopefully a good sign of a sea change!

Ahh mate, when you start telling people what they think, rather than asking, you’ve shown you have no real argument.
lts you ignoring the bullying by the teacher here, refusing to comment on her behaviour. I wonder why…

There are ways and means of teaching beliefs you don't believe in. There are methods for teaching and correcting pupils over respecting other people's beliefs. That is not how this teacher was dealing with the situation. It isn't about pulling students up over bullying another thst any person here has an issue with but how it was done.

That is the teacher’s interpretation the asylum part. They didn’t.

They denied saying the asylum part, they didn’t deny upsetting the other pupil.

Seems that the school is dealing with this in hopefully a reasonable way:

'A spokesman admitted to the Mail that the teacher should have acted differently, by 'ensuring that pupils' views are listened to' and 'encouraging them to ask questions and engage in discussion' – instead of angrily shutting down debate on a controversial issue. The spokesman said they would make sure 'such events do not take place in the future'.'

I suspect that is actually happening. Or did you expect the teacher to explain the child's medical situation to the kids who were bullying them? Really?

80% yanbu tg

What is bullying and frankly abusive is allowing your child to grow up believing they are a cat and not stopping the nonsense in the first place.

I think we can't know if the girls in the clip are bullies or not can we?!

If not holding gender identity beliefs as fact and questioning is so unacceptable I assume voicing their personal beliefs is seen as bullying?? If they keep voicing their beliefs would that not make them a 'trouble maker'

If this is a stonewall school do t forget they teach a tran child feeling offended is bullying. Just feeling. That's vastly open to misuse. Misuse to silence opposing views as we see again and again in the media with gender critical perspectives shouted as transphobia eg jk Rowling or Kathleen stock.

All we know is what we hear in that clip and it's a teacher ranting at girls who are voicing gender critical beliefs and saying if they can respect others why are they not respected also. They say identifying as a can is crazy. Maybe that can be seen as offensive..... but they are children and not told about better ways to discuss mental health they are subjected to a gender ideology rant and threatened and insulted.

And even if they are bullies that's not going to change the content of that recording. The point is they are whistleblowing

Good point.

This is a teacher trying to defend the victim of classroom bullies.

I agree with that.

I still don't think she should have been covertly recorded and end up on the Internet though.