Next door telling us off for being loud?

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Weekeend away we're sat outside chatting over a meal with friends (7 women all over 45). Man next door appears at balcony and aggressively shouts 'keep the noise down, we live here - it's not all holiday homes'.... it was 7.20pm...! Is it unreasonable to sit outdoors and talk over a meal? I could understand if it was 10.20pm...

Why do people keep mentioning air bnb? OP says the holiday home was booked through Hoseasons. It was a warm evening and you are perfectly entitled to sit outside and eat and drink at 7.20pm. Our neighbour has barbecues every weekend in the summer and they are chatting and laughing at 10 o clock at night in their garden. Not a holiday home or air bnb. They are nice enough neighbours the rest of the time so we just shut our windows so we can't hear them rather than shout at them.

I live in a city parts of which have been hollowed-out by short term lets. It’s a very heavily flatted city and peoples lives have been made a misery with people taking flats for the weekend, leaving the main doors on the snib, smoking in the stair, leaning their rubbish in the stair, making noise, not understanding what flat they have booked so knocking on random doors late at night. Some flats have become almost entirely given over to short term lets. Key locks like ticks attached to the building.. The city is finally putting in place systems, licensing principally, to control it. My heart sinks when people casually say, oh get an air b n b with no thought to the impact on the lives of people living in my city, Madrid, Malaga, on and on. Use hotels, b n bs.

Living next door to a three storey town house which sleeps eight as a year round holiday let I feel this man's pain. Even though the guests are not rowdy and are generally'well behaved' it's a nightmare. Constant coming and going of a large number of people, wheeled suitcase trundling along all the time. Groups of people in casual conversation on the terrace all the time, which although it's normal to them, it's when they are on holiday but the rest of us are living normal lives. Ring to do everyday things. I can hear it inside my house constantly, there isn't any escape. It drives me crazy. A group of. Six or 8 people talking in a street environment with townhouses is actually very noisy if you're not in the conversation, the way sound bounces around is like an echo chamber. It really does drive you mad. In this hot weather when everyone is bothered and flustered you just want to open your windows, let some some air through and sit in the quiet peace. With constant holiday makers necrosis for, this is impossible.
I think when property owners are stayiing in let's and air bnb set ups they think it's incredibly authentic being in the area where ' real locals' live, but they have no concept of the fact that real people living ordinary lives are trying to get on and get things done, are tired from work and need to get up early etc. it's horrible to live next door to.

In this hot weather when everyone is bothered and flustered you just want to open your windows, let some some air through and sit in the quiet peace.

Whilst I'm sorry you have to endure this, unless you live in a detached house in the middle of nowhere, you aren't going to be able to enjoy peace at this time of year. Especially not at 19:20. I live fairly rural, I can't sleep with my windows open because I can hear foxes screaming, the worst noise I've ever heard.

The OP is not being unreasonable. All of you that live next door to these setups, which I'd hate btw, need to be chasing this up with the people who own the properties, and the council. One poster above said OP was being unreasonable, and then said the landlord had told her he shouldn't even rent out his property because of his mortgage terms, I know what I'd be doing.

People being out in gardens, normal neighbour noise is not comparable to living, day in day out, next door to a short term let.

ifF it was 11pm then fair enough but it was just after 7pm, I would have told him to wind his neck in as the night is still young. I wouldn’t have changed what we were doing. It’s not as though you were all naked dancing and singing from the top of your lungs on the balcony.

if he has a complaint he should take it up with the owners.

@midsomermurderess no, and as I said, I'd hate it and can try to understand how you'd feel, but, OP paid for a holiday. Being sat out at 19:20 is not at all unreasonable, even if you are making a fair bit of noise.

The neighbours a couple, of doors down sit outside as do we on a summers eve sometimes. Issues with holiday lets it’s all the time. Living next door to a holiday let is terrible. The town where I grew up is now plagued with holiday let’s, since covid it has become especially bad.

Eight people talking is a small party and I imagine it’s pretty constant for the neighbours.

It's irrelevant. Airbnb is the same thing! 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

If you've ever been seated in a restaurant by a group of 6+ People all laughing and talking loudly, even for an hour or 2 it can become irritating because you can't hear yourself think, I feel bad for the neighbour, but don't think it's OPs fault for booking it from a reputable site.

Then he needs to see the owner or move.

7.30pm isn’t late!

There is if you’re all being loud and annoying when he’s just trying to enjoy his evening.
Think of someone outside your bubble for once

You likely are louder than a full-time neighbor would be sitting outside their own home on an average day. Add in that you are a long string of people and it is understandable that the residents find it frustrating.

it is just one more reason that short-term holiday rentals don’t belong in residential areas.

I’m curious about people saying that op should complain to the owner about the neighbor. What exactly do they expect the owner to do?

or for people saying the neighbor needs to take complaints to the owner? Why? speaking To the guests is much more immediate and effective. It also may cause them to leave a negative review, enough of which could Lead to living next to normal tenants instead of people on holiday.

All of those saying it’s ok YANBU, must have never experienced loud music and groups sat outside their property and having to live next door to them.

@musixa - fair comment. I was just copying what the OP said

YANBU OP, I can't believe most of the responses you are getting. It was 7.20pm, you weren't even playing music, just talking. If it was after 9pm or so maybe he could have asked you to tone it down but shouting at 7pm? No way. Irrelevant that he may be fed up living next to a holiday let.

As for all the misogynistic comments about women cackling, being irritating, men in a group with booming voices are equally annoying. I live in closely terraced houses, all day long I can hear men on zoom calls from several gardens away.

You must have been pretty loud if he could hear you from his living room but you weren't being antisocial and it wasn't late.

If he'd said he was putting a child to sleep as others have suggested I am sure you'd have respected that but he doesn't get to shout just because you're having a laugh.

He’s probs projecting from other bad experiences, OP. Unless you’re all extremely loud talkers, you haven’t done anything wrong.

Hopefully you all cracked on and enjoyed your night.

Would 7 women under 45 be quieter then? What has their age got to do with how loud they are? What a bizarre comment!

You are wrong, older women can be just as loud and irritating!

Sincere apologies. I made a thoughtless and very flippant comment and of course there are many more reasons. Sorry.

I suspect you were a lot louder than you thought

I don't know what it is about tourists but they're always just so bloody LOUD.
I live in an area blighted by tourism and everyone I know who has the misfortune of living near a holiday let all the same about how LOUD holiday makers always are even when just doing routine day to day stuff.

Whenever I'm walking in my local dunes or woods I can always tell when tourists are approaching because you can hear them braying away long before you even see them, for some reason even when just walking along next to each other they feel the need to have conversations at the top of their voices.

It must be something about being in an unfamiliar area that makes them act like this, they surely can't all be that loud all the time in their everyday lives when not on holiday.

I see, I'm sorry, I thought you were making some strange point about women's voices and age!