Is my friend being unfair for wanting her Ukrainian guests to leave

[Cucucucu]

I hope I can give as much info as possible .
My friend had 2 sets of Ukrainian guests in her home , the first ones where 2 girls early 20s friends , they left after 4 months having found a 3 rd friend to rent an apartment, had jobs and studied and no issues at all .
She then decided to host a mum and daughter , but turns out it was a mother , daughter and son . Mum in her 30s , daughter 12, son 15 . She had told them from the start it was a short stay of 6 months as they are staying in a apartment attached to her home that she normally rents as a holiday home in the summer . The 6 months have come and gone and they refuse to go .
None of them is working or going to school , oldest has since turned 16 . They claim universal credit and she found out PIP they claim pip ( found out as the mum wanted to install a electric car charger as she is expecting a motability vehicle ) .
The mum and son smoke , she has asked them multiple times to not smoke inside . Twice she left the girl and son alone for days as she went back to Ukraine , first for dental implants , second for skin treatment ( she is unsure of what it was ) . They all went back to see the grandparents this week .
Unknown to her they adopted a kitten so when they went they asked her to feed the cat . She called me last night distressed , she went in the apartment and it’s a mess , the kitten peed everywhere , it stinks of cat pee , they clearly smoked in the house . They haven’t cleaned for ages and there are 3 kitchen cupboard doors broken , toilet seat broken , what looks like punches on the walls .
She is beyond stressed , this apartment was fully redone 20 months ago , new plaster , bathroom and kitchen .
She wants them out now , but last time she told them to leave the mum and son kept saying things as “ what will your neighbors think , throwing out refugees on the street “.
We are in a small Scottish village , everyone welcomed refugees with open arms so she is scared people will think she being unfair . I’ve told her nobody will think that .
My friend is a widow with 2 kids , that apartment renting in the summer in income to help her pay her bills , she probably lost all income for this summer as even if they leave it will need go be fixed .
Is she being unfair for wanting them out ?

They sound funking awful; ungrateful & totally disrespectful. Your poor friend - doing a kind deed that has turned sour. She should feel no guilt and the ungrateful Ukranians should bloody well be made to understand that they cannot behave like that. They sound horrible.

They sound like absolute parasites. How dare the son send threatening texts to your friend?! Get them out ASAP. Thank goodness the Police can see the issue. What revolting, horrible, grabbing tossers.

I am sorry for your friend...she did a very good deed..stood up and hosted not just once but twice.

Unfortunately these arrangements dont always work out and she needs to be supported in understanding this is not her responsibility. At the same time, we cant really understand what it's like to be the Ukranian family in their situation.

The hosting relationship has broken down and your friend would do best to give the council a date, as soon as suits your friend, that the family becomes the Council's responsibility. Your friend has been a very good human being and has supported 3 adults and two children out of a place of danger to a place of safety.

She need do no more. Should any neighbours have comment to make, the safest answer is, this second hosting with me was always to be a six month arrangement. If you are concerned, the Council are always looking for new hosts, would you like me to give your details to the Ukranian hosting team?

Relieved for your friend that the police are actually being helpful, and hope she is soon able to put this behind her.

And to reiterate the point others have made. She has done a kind and generous thing, hopefully she will feel able to focus on the positives of the first family she hosted - to whose lives she has probably made a huge difference -and not the negatives of the second.

Ukraine refugees were put on "fast track" for all benefits.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immediate-benefit-support-for-those-fleeing-the-invasion-in-ukraine

@Riverlee no. they’re HfU guests and therefore do not have any of the rights tenants do. She’s perfectly entitled to box up their stuff and change the locks.

I hosted. There’s a reasonable amount of taking tje piss by Ukrainians on schemes. We were fortunate not to have anything like these guests. Id be boxing up their stuff and informing the council.

@TestingTestingWonTooFree this is bad advice.

Theyre not tenants. They don’t pay rent. They’re HfU guests and can be asked to leave whenever the host decides. In my view they should get them out now.

The OPs friend doesn’t need legal advice.

@caringcarer theyre not tenants. They’re HfU guests. This advice is not relevant.

@Catza @Lacucuracha there is not two month notice period. Nonsense. When our guests moved out I just told the council to stop sending money. They were quick enough to do this!

There are no contractual obligations so please don’t make the OP think it’s more complicated and difficult than it is.

police - they’ve done this. Stuff packed up, locks changed, council informed. It’s then the councils problem.

Exactly this! If they feel safe enough to flit back and forth to the Ukraine when it suits them then clearly they could be living back there although they will probably have to work and pay rent there.

Did this get sorted without further intimidation @Cucucucu ?

Any update?

"These women"

That sounds like racism

You may want to read my post again. I quite clearly said that two month’s notice is needed when a host wants to stop hosting (i.e. to unregistered as a host) Not when they want to evict the current guest. They guidelines are on the gov. website

With respect. That's utter bollocks.

I know people who have ended a hosting arrangement within days because of significant issues not completely unlike the OP describes.

You are spreading disinformation.

Ideally they want hosts to give two months. But it's not a rule. Mainly because it's completely unenforceable.

Has your friend had any luck @Cucucucu ?

Change the locks. Put all their stuff outfront and covered. They collect when they arrive. She could do with having her two kids present to support her when they cone back and some type of CCTV installed. She could also visit a solicitor or citizens advice for help to know where she stands legally. She has been very naiive on the assumption that every person from Ukraine would be a good one, there are freeloaders everywhere.

I will update later as I’m getting the kids ready for school and work after . I had to be sure I could update as there where some developments and police was involved

Any update OP? Is it all sorted

Your poor friend, she's lucky to have you around OP

Absolutely.

@Cucucucu lots of posts yesterday afternoon and today but no update ?

Are they 'guests' .?
If so then she can ask them to leave,

Your poor friend. As others have said this isn't a Ukrainian thing, this is a badly behaved person thing. So pleased she's getting support from the police

Agree @RedToothBrush . @Catza is talking nonsense.

@Cucucucu hope you and your friend are ok and your friend is able to put this behind her. It's hard though.