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Is my friend being unfair for wanting her Ukrainian guests to leave

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Cucucucu · 16/06/2023 15:18

I hope I can give as much info as possible .
My friend had 2 sets of Ukrainian guests in her home , the first ones where 2 girls early 20s friends , they left after 4 months having found a 3 rd friend to rent an apartment, had jobs and studied and no issues at all .
She then decided to host a mum and daughter , but turns out it was a mother , daughter and son . Mum in her 30s , daughter 12, son 15 . She had told them from the start it was a short stay of 6 months as they are staying in a apartment attached to her home that she normally rents as a holiday home in the summer . The 6 months have come and gone and they refuse to go .
None of them is working or going to school , oldest has since turned 16 . They claim universal credit and she found out PIP they claim pip ( found out as the mum wanted to install a electric car charger as she is expecting a motability vehicle ) .
The mum and son smoke , she has asked them multiple times to not smoke inside . Twice she left the girl and son alone for days as she went back to Ukraine , first for dental implants , second for skin treatment ( she is unsure of what it was ) . They all went back to see the grandparents this week .
Unknown to her they adopted a kitten so when they went they asked her to feed the cat . She called me last night distressed , she went in the apartment and it’s a mess , the kitten peed everywhere , it stinks of cat pee , they clearly smoked in the house . They haven’t cleaned for ages and there are 3 kitchen cupboard doors broken , toilet seat broken , what looks like punches on the walls .
She is beyond stressed , this apartment was fully redone 20 months ago , new plaster , bathroom and kitchen .
She wants them out now , but last time she told them to leave the mum and son kept saying things as “ what will your neighbors think , throwing out refugees on the street “.
We are in a small Scottish village , everyone welcomed refugees with open arms so she is scared people will think she being unfair . I’ve told her nobody will think that .
My friend is a widow with 2 kids , that apartment renting in the summer in income to help her pay her bills , she probably lost all income for this summer as even if they leave it will need go be fixed .
Is she being unfair for wanting them out ?

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RedToothBrush · 16/06/2023 16:17

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 16/06/2023 16:11

Your friend should seek legal advice. It is not necessarily straightforward to boot out poor tenants, however badly they may have behaved.

They are ukrainian guests who do not have tenant rights. Therefore they can be booted without notice - inform the council.

No legal advice needed. This is established as being the route to take for hosts by councils.

Balloonhearts · 16/06/2023 16:18

I'd change the locks and refuse to let them back in. Box up all their stuff ready for them and have a list of places they can go.

Cucucucu · 16/06/2023 16:18

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I apologise if you feel this way , it’s an endearing term imo not one to cause offence .

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SparklingLime · 16/06/2023 16:21

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Honestly, many hosts have had similar and worse experiences. They are referred to as "guests" in the government Homes for Ukraine program that enables them to come to UK. They do not have full refugee status and are not paying rent in sponsors' homes. So they are guests. Worrying about calling them guests indicates your level of knowledge about the scheme.

Mylifeislikeaboatrace · 16/06/2023 16:22

This is what happens when you try to do something to help and someone takes the piss big time complete cfery. That poor kitten too.

Frogmila · 16/06/2023 16:23

If she's worried about what people think I don't think she should be. She offered 6 months and has done it. She should take pics of any mess or damage- not to show the whole world but in case anyone queries her. She was clear about what she could offer, if the mother hasnt listened that is her problem. I'm not sure of the processes but I'd call the council to give them the heads up that she can no longer offer them accommodation as per the original 6 month agreement and for their advice.

SideWonder · 16/06/2023 16:24

N, she's not being unfair.

Can you help her by accompanying her to the Council, and getting them on the case. And also, if anyone does criticise her for evicting them, you can support her.

It was a fixed-term hosting - for 6 months. She's perfectly justified in asking them to leave, and following up with the Council.

SpringViolet · 16/06/2023 16:25

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What a load of bollocks!

It was obviously a description in the OP as it explains why they are not standard tenants but ‘guests’ as accommodation has been provided for free! That wouldn’t happen if they were from the UK.

Also going back to the country you have fled from, in fear of your life, for cosmetic treatments and to visit family when you have been provided refuge with free accommodation from well meaning members of the public which has been trashed and tax payers money to provide for yourself when you have no intention of working is relevant background to explain their mentality.

Mylifeislikeaboatrace · 16/06/2023 16:26

Are people really that narrow minded they would judge her ? Some people should just mind their own bloody business and get a life.

Cailin66 · 16/06/2023 16:26

I wouldn’t ring the council. They’ll try and fob the problem back on her. If she does ring the council I’d send them the photos and details of why happened. Then he council cannot claim they do not know what they are like when trying to house them with the next victim.

SparklingLime · 16/06/2023 16:29

I have private messaged you on here, @Cucucucu.

SparklingLime · 16/06/2023 16:30

Cailin66 · 16/06/2023 16:26

I wouldn’t ring the council. They’ll try and fob the problem back on her. If she does ring the council I’d send them the photos and details of why happened. Then he council cannot claim they do not know what they are like when trying to house them with the next victim.

It is the council's responsibility to provide them with emergency accommodation.

starsparkle08 · 16/06/2023 16:33

Time for them to go home to the Ukraine

Im99912 · 16/06/2023 16:34

Can she actually evict them
do they have a contract
it might not be as simple as kicking them out
if they were in the actual house it would be simple

although it’s exactly what I would want to do

Datafan55 · 16/06/2023 16:35

I'm really sorry this has happened to your friend. Of course they must go. She has been kind-hearted and been taken advantage of. Not being able to work is one thing (the PIP), but trashing the place is quite another.

Refuges are a group like anyone else - some are nice, others are CFers. These are CFers.

NetZeroZealot · 16/06/2023 16:40

Your poor friend. We had a positive experience with our Ukrainian guests but am well aware that this is not universal.

Under the Homes for Ukraine programme there are processes for dealing with situations like this and your local council should step in. They may not want to but it is their responsibility.

Your friend should not worry what the neighbours think. They are much more likely to sympathise with her situation.

Lamelie · 16/06/2023 16:40

Riverlee · 16/06/2023 16:03

Take the word Ukrainian out of your title and what answer would you give?

Exactly. If the had been about an Elderly, African, Gay or Traveller family the OP would have been called out. It’s also irrelevant.

Berlinlover · 16/06/2023 16:41

I very much doubt people would judge her. It’s common knowledge these women are going home for holidays and medical procedures. I work in a supermarket and deal with them on a daily basis and their rudeness and sense of entitlement is astonishing. I could go on all day but any sympathy I have for the Ukrainians here in Ireland has long gone.

Lacucuracha · 16/06/2023 16:43

No one will judge her, they had their 6 month stay (not to mention abused her hospitality).

Please please support her in geting them out.

Housekeeperbatcocoa · 16/06/2023 16:44

Simple Solution spray will help to remove the smells. It's about seven quid on amazon.

HappiDaze · 16/06/2023 16:48

Legally she can just change the locks and that's that especially now they've gone it's the perfect time

She should text them to say the flat has been rented out to someone else so they need to sort out new accommodation if they choose to return

There's no contract or anything so your friend needs to be ballsy

HappiDaze · 16/06/2023 16:48

Oh yes she needs to pack all their belongings up and make sure they are no longer in the property

LaurelGrove · 16/06/2023 16:48

If she is hosting as part of the Homes for Ukraine scheme and not in fact renting privately to them, they are not tenants and she can terminate the relationship. I don't know how it works in Scotland - in England we can (and do!) simply tell the council the relationship has broken down and then it becomes the council's problem. I have endless sympathy for Ukrainian refugees and have successfully hosted myself but the fact they have had a horrible time does not give them the right to treat their hosts with disrespect, or to cause damage to property. They have had enormous generosity from the British government, tax payers and public - if there is no reciprocal desire to give back, I would not hesitate to give immediate notice to leave.

HappiDaze · 16/06/2023 16:49

Your friend has been been very kind but their time is up and that's that

Blueblell · 16/06/2023 16:50

Yes she needs to tell them they can’t return to live in the apartment. Good time to let let them know while they are away so they can decide what to do. Also is there a liaison for the scheme she could talk to?

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