To believe in forced castration?

[SchoolShenanigans]

Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

What if they refuse?

So they would need to be castrated too. 🙃

Castration.

But who will castrate the doctors and surgeons? And what if they refuse?

we could be here a while.

The statistics are clear, when criminals breed they have a far higher chance of producing children that grow up to become criminals than law-abiders do when they breed.

And therein lies the problem. Because statistics also show various others groups of people that might grow up to commit a crime. So how long before prevention extends to castration/sterilisation before they even commit crimes? Based on statistics of course.

Being serious, one of the reasons why the death penalty is a shitshow in the US is because literally no medical doctors are prepared to go near the execution process. Given cultural differences, I imagine even fewer UK doctors would be willing to pick up the bolt cutters.

It's like shit Oprah in @Florenz world...

YOU get a castration, and YOU get a castration, YOU ALL get a castration!

No they wouldn't, not if the prisoner disagreed

You do know that they have a choice and rights.....don't you?

Exactly.

Not to mention how much strain the NHS is already under.

You can’t actually seriously think that surgeons in Britain would participate in this?

No but they are both very serious crimes requiring premeditation. I don't think we are losing anything by preventing torturers and armed robbers from procreating.

No of course not, men and women who harm their children. He adores our DC, he can’t bear the thought of a child beaten to death or neglected to an extreme extent.

There is a gel like substance created by a clinic in india that basically blocks sperm.

https://www.healthline.com/health/birth-control/male-birth-control-injection#risug-and-vasalgel

I actually feel really annoyed at that. No he didn’t just mean women. Assuming he’s a misogynist is a bit of a leap isn’t it. When I said people I meant people. He generally has a very dim view of men who walk out on their kids or act like they can’t change a nappy (he’s changed plenty, he worked full time and did nights with the baby for a full year while I had severe PND, I could barely function, he was on the verge of a breakdown by the time I got better). So don’t assume.

The idea of forced sterilisation is far more offensive than the idea that a person talking about implanted contraceptives is probably thinking about women. The fact that he looked after his own kid like you're supposed to do is neither here nor there.

@SchoolShenanigans do you have a link to the thread you mentioned in your OP?

Well IMO the benefits outweigh the costs.

Well IMO they don't.

Stalemate.

So females would be given a hysterectomy? @Florenz

Theres a link upthread about about male contraceptives. I didn’t once say anyone should be sterilised and neither has he. Don’t put words in my mouth.

Ofcourse it matters, you assumed he was some woman hater mouthing off about women because he thinks PEOPLE should take care of their children or at the very least not kill or severely harm them. Ofcourse taking care of his child is perfectly normal and expected, he wants that for every child.

No, I asked if he was talking about women. He was talking about implanting contraceptives. It's a reasonable question. The fact that you had to share a link to some obscure male contraceptive doesn't change that fact. You said he liked the idea of sterilising people and you were starting to come around to it too. State horrible opinions, expect responses.

Nobody cares about him changing nappies. You're supposed to parent your kids. No idea why you think that's relevant, makes him a great person or stops his statements about sterilisation from being as stupid and offensive as they are.

I would like there to fewer criminals resulting in there being less crime. Some people think the rights of criminals should take precedence over the rights of law-abiders. I don't. Some people think that criminals should have rights equal to those of law-abiders. I don't. If castrating 1000 criminals means one less person is murdered, or raped, or robbed at gunpoint, or tortured, I don't think it's even a judgement call. Because the rights of one law-abider should take precedence over the rights of an infinite number of criminals.

I can't find the rates in the UK (I didn't look that hard- they're probably available somewhere) but in America, between 4% and 6% of people in prison are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of:

newsroom.carleton.ca/story/eyewitness-misidentification-wrongful-convictions/#:~:text=Rates%20of%20wrongful%20conviction&text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20it,they%20are%20serving%20time%20for.

So if we applied your idea in America, for every thousand people castrated, between 40 and 60 of them would have been innocent.

Is that a yes or no to allowing doctors to opt out of castrating someone without their consent?

I'm going to guess you'd argue for genital mutilation for females abusers?

And why stop at child abusers?

What about cutting the hands off burglars and domestic abusers? Given that theft and domestic abuse have similarly high rates of recidivism?

I’m not totally against chemical castration for repeat offenders repeat

not as an alternative but as further punishment