To believe in forced castration?

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Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

They will continue to abuse, just in different, equally violent ways.

What next, forced sterilisation of women?

Which particular implant would he like men to have?

I doubt the men involved would go compliantly

So who is going to deal with the refusal? Who is going to drag them to the operating theatre?
Who is going to administer the procedure with someone kicking and screaming?
Who is going to be in the line of fire afterwards?

I wish people would think things through rather than say flippantly 'they should be castrated'

Exactly. However I see some of our regular "chop their dick off" posters have made an appearance.

@ilovesooty From the sounds of it, it seems like some of these posters would volunteer because they 'deserve it'.

Maybe, or maybe not. Still makes (hypothetical) you the kind of person who is happy to indulge in mutilation, so...

Because we're not barbarians.

No, I don't believe that surgical procedures are a suitable punishment for crimes in a civilised country.

I partially agree with the OP but I think it needs to go further than just sex offenders. Anyone who has become a parent for the second time should be forcibly neutered to prevent people having large families they can't afford. There could be a "buy out" clause for people who are financially able to waive the right to state support and pay a bond to cover the future expense of raising further children.

We need to reset the mindset that people are "entitled" to have children, it should be the case that you have to prove you are suitable to have them.

Sorry, is this satire?

Holy shit, it didn't occur to me that it might not be...

Over the past year I've started to suspect that a lot of recent OPs like this are "planted" here deliberately so that nobody takes any genuine socio-political opinions on MN seriously.

Now, I'm convinced.

@DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder

I thought it definitely was in the first paragraph then the second one made me unsure!

Hopefully they can clarify...

I don’t think it’s satire. There’s wide support for the death penalty in certain circumstances in this country and presumably similar support for corporal punishment.

The “will of the people” is a threat to civilised society.

It's a slippery slope. The government cannot be trusted to have that kind of power over anyone. Surely it's better to have a proper judicial and prison system where child abusers are dealt with properly instead of the outrageously lenient system we have in place currently. Might be a more appropriate idea for the government to stop encouraging people to have children when they clearly can't look after them but then we tried that already and ended up with thousands of babies forcibly taken away from their unwed mothers causing lifelong damage and trauma to both parents and children. Not sure what the answer is to this but giving governments powers to sterilise its citizens isn't it.

“I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions”

Are you saying this woman should have a forced hysterectomy?

Struggling to understand how forced castration applies to this example, the common denominator here is the woman.

If you truly believe that, it's terrifying.

So what about those that are later found falsely accused or wrongly castrated? Or are thos innocent people acceptable collateral to you OP?

Here we go again.

Sadly it isn't.

This thread is really upsetting. It’s difficult to fathom how people have such mediaeval views and such little intellectual curiosity about the consequences of giving up bodily autonomy to the state.

Yes this thread reeks of sadism and feels like it was posted to create space for a kind of trollish psycho sexual fantasy.

Are you comparing poor people and people with low IQs to sex offenders and abusers? Because it sounds like it.

The point pp is making is that's how it starts.

Once it becomes acceptable for the state to control someone's body, it doesn't stop there. It never does.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss It is upsetting, but its not surprising. Its pretty well established - both in history and in sociological studies - that at the least, a significant minority of people are willing to carry out barbaric acts (acts they would ordinarly condemn) on those deemed 'deserving' - typically by the state or a higher authority. It might actually be more than a significant minority, but of course, its incredibly difficult to test and ethical standards are thankfully much higher than they used to be. Have a look at the Stanford Prison Experiment sometime - very unethical experiment, but fascinating results.

The thing that makes me want to smack my head against the wall is the fact these people seem to think they have the moral high ground, because they just care about children more than the rest of us, or something.

The comments are quite surprising 😮