To believe in forced castration?

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Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

How would men being castrated help the people like me that were abused every which way by women?

When society protects the rights of horrendous people, over innocent children, you know there's an issue?

How will this stop female abusers?

How will castration stop someone downloading or distributing child abuse images? How will it stop them using their eyes, going to the park etc? Hands can be used to sexually abuse, sexual abuse is not limited to the abusers genitals. Surely castrating a woman is quite dangerous as not only is it major surgery, but hormone replacement would be needed to reduce bone density issues etc. I have no idea what the health risks are to men on hormone therapy.

As for adults who are poor parents, thats a slippery slope, at what level do we decide those people must have a medical procedure forced upon them? Parents are rightly supported to change their behaviour in hopes of having their children returned, by forcing a medical procedure on them you’re surely going to reduce the number of children who return to their birth parents.

It's not that simple. Studies will say it better than me, but in many cases, abuse is about power more than sex. Remove the sexual element and you seem to get worst abuse (if that can get any worst).

I'd be happy to lock up these people for life and let them rot in a dungeon. It would at least protect further children from being abused.

I should have also suggested sterilisation. Anything to rid them of the option of keep having children they can't look after adequately.

No one should disagree with that, but apparently some will advocate for their rights above other victims.

That wont remove the drive to rape and abuse

And what happens if that fails? Forced abortion?

It's not just about rights, it's about the state having too much power and that if controlling one thing is ok, it would soon move on to other things.

If it becomes acceptable to sterilise women, it could extend to banning abortions as an example.

Or like someone above said, potentially move to sterilising gay people because unfortunately, far too many people still think like that.

I'd never trust any government with that power.

You are conflating two different issues:

Sexual offenders against children

Parents who abuse by neglect

Sterilization would do absolutely nothing for female sexual offenders (and quite a lot of males) Even if they don't have children of their own they are quite capable of grooming someone else and absence of working sexual organs doesn't mean you can sexually abuse.

No way.

I say this as someone who was hideously abused.

For starters if a jury knew that could be an outcome they would be more likely to say not guilty.

There's the risk of innocent people being castrated.

If you're talking about sterilising women then just look at the recent case of the mum finally released from jail for murdering her kids, it was a genetic issue all along.

There's a lot more we could be doing as a society that doesn't involve forced medical procedures. Where would that even lead to?

On an emotional level I get where you're coming from, on every other level it would be dangerous for us all.

I have to admit I’m not terribly keen on forced sterilisation of women. I don’t have issues with chemical castration of sex offenders.

There is something called project prevent which pays drug addicted women (crack) in Africa to be sterilised.

I do think sterilisation should be more readily available in the UK. My last pregnancy was twins. And I asked if I had a C-section if they could do it at the same time. Consultant wasn’t keen in case I changed my mind. I was very much done with having babies.

Perhaps if sterilisation was more normalised it’d be accessible for those whose lives are too chaotic for other types of birth control.

Sounds great, OP.

Let's add other categories to the list. Maybe those with low IQs, or poor people perhaps?

Yes, I know this happens in the States. Convicted sex offenders can elect for chemical castration to reduce urges. Unsure if its permanent. Females who have struggled with parenting can now get sterilised too for free too however there's a concern that women are being cohersed into decisions at a time they're least able to think eg during addiction, prostitution, homelessness etc. Some have 'cleaned up their act' and are now unable to have children. On balance, provided its monitored well I'm with @gogohmm , that we are at the very edge of the acceptable line.

I was raised in a children's home, The head and deputy were both female and both abusers, whether they were sterilised or not they had an endless supply of children to abuse. It's not just parents that abuse children.

That's fine, but it'll stop them being able to have further children they won't or can't care for adequately.

And I do think it will reduce rape and abuse that's sexually motivated.

Exactly.

No
It's a bit too Adolf Hitler, really.

What you "think" doesn't have any basis in fact.

Also many people who are inadequate parents due to substance misuse etc, are already voluntarily on IUDs.

or implant rods

Yeah, I couldn't get upset about the rights of paedophiles and other violent men.

I don't agree with the death penalty but the rights of a man to his balls - meh

History says that it wouldn't stop there. It never does.