To believe in forced castration?

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Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

Yes you are unreasonable. Anything like this that means state control over other people's bodies is a slippery slope.

Eugenics anyone?

Castration won't remove the drive to rape or abuse.

Slippery slope, but....
Can't say I don't like the idea.....

That's a very good point.

It doesn't work.

There are programs in the UK where offenders with recurrent sexual thoughts can choose to have medication. It works for them because they are volunteers who don't want to have the thoughts.

However there are also a lot of elderly guys in prison for sex offences on prostate cancer treatment, which is effectively chemical castration, who are just as high risk as they were before.

I disagree. No balls, lower testosterone, lower sex drive, less drive to rape.

I'm not saying testosterone is all to blame, clearly not, but I think it features.

And I didn't mean it would stop abuse. It would stop being able to have more children to abuse.

Perhaps, but that's why there'd be regulations around it. And the rights of a child abuser don't trump the rights of a potential future child imo.

Well no op, because forced sterilisation in law would allow people the means to decide which group to persecute.
You don't like pedophiles and crap mother's. A lot of people would agree. Yet there's also a lot of people who think sterilising single mothers, travellers, gay people would be a good idea. I mean, stonewall is already in the sterilising gays trade so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. And you only have to look at places like Myanmar to realise how quickly a group can be targeted it's frightening.
In the case of pedophiles, we should have robust safeguarding and anyone caught goes to prison. That's what we have in theory anyway but there are too many exceptions made.

What that thread highlighted is disability support and early help and engaging in communities is having some horrible effects. I'd be up for funding help and support before destroying the body of another human being.

So you're advocating eugenics then?

I think we should bring back hanging and national service if we're going to go down this route

Absolutely not.

It's a slippery slope, no state should have that kind of control over people's bodies.

If it's the post I think the op said the parents had MH difficulties and did not mention abuse.

"Sorry if this has been done before"

No, can't say I have ever come across this as a serious topic of debate on MN before....except the counter argument to illustrate the importance of access to abortions.

In this case, yes.

But then I'm one of the unpopular people who also believe in the death penalty for certain offenses.

Perhaps the OP is in favour of capital punishment as well.

Sorry, cross post.

Great, it's good to have a unique conversation then, to what must a very common hope. Especially if you knew someone who repeatedly had children born into awful environments. The children then needing to live their lives in and out of care.

Yes, let’s chop off the hands of thieves and stone unfaithful women to death while we’re at it.

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I've thought this for a long time. I'm in agreement OP, for the absolute worst, most serious cases.

How do you believe castration would help? Is this purely as a punishment or to reduce risk of reopening?
How would you castrate a female?
Does this apply to all paedophiles or just sex offenders.
How do we identify these people?
What about sex offenders who aren't paedophile?

Any dog owner will know castration doesn't remove the instinct, just removes the ability to perform. Perverts will still get their kicks another way.

Allowing those who are having thoughts about children which are wrong, are sexual predators and those who aren't capable of parenting to voluntarily come forward for chemical castration or sterilisation is ok, forcing it is not. In the case of multiple pregnancies with children removed there's been projects in various countries that pay women to be sterilised or have long term contraception, this I'm uneasy with but it's borderline

And why castration if reproduction is your main concern. Why not simply sterilisation?

No womb/balls = no future innocent children being born into horrendous situation.

True, that'd be fine. Not sure why I said castration!