To believe in forced castration?

[SchoolShenanigans]

Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

@SchoolShenanigans I'm Jewish, and comparing your idea to Nazi policy, is not inappropriate, it's fact. The Holocaust happened because the state dehumanized Jewish people, stripping them down to a single aspect, amplifying the danger through organs of media. Bang, those good people became bad and the legal system of that society made it all happen -- in less than 10 years. Taking away human rights is a serious and dangerous enterprise, which needs to be minimal and scrutinised.

'It would stop being able to have more children to abuse'...

These men would find vulnerable women with children, and abuse those kids instead.

The inability to produce their own children to abuse is not going to prevent them abusing kids.

If you're honest, really honest with yourselves - castration of offenders is about revenge.

It isn't about prevention, directly or indirectly. It is about revenge.

At least own it, eh?

Re slippery slope: s and

You really need to study some history, OP.

For those who believe in the death penalty, what would have happened to that woman recently freed after being accused of murdering her babies. It was recently proved they all had an undiagnosed genetic heart condition. She'd be dead now.

She’d also receive a £100 gift voucher. Oh, wait…

This. Bloody thirsty revenge built on (understandably) emotion. This is a dangerous ideology.

Do you agree with whole life sentencing? Do you have a problem with the fact they may be false convictions?

Do you understand that you cannot reattach penises, undo female sterilisation or bring people back from the dead. I know Kathy Beale and Den Watts were brought back to life but do you understand that’s not reality OP?

Also, OP, it has already been done in this country and was an outrage then. In the 50s it was routine to chemically castrate gay men such as Alan Turing. The slippery slope has already been gone down when forced sterilisation of people simply engaging in consensual sexual activity between adults has been part of our legal system in recent history.

whole life sentencing allows for appeal, convictions being over turned in light of new evidence etc - death doesn't

I can tell you as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse that if I felt telling anyone would have resulted in the maiming or death of the person I would have taken that secret to the grave and not sought help

The law should not be driven by emotion or mob mentality

Yes, and that would be awful (I haven't heard of that case but agree miscarriages of justice happen and it would be truly awful).

But I HATE the system at the moment. Awful, neglectful parents can just keep churning them out, with no regard for the kids and the impact of many people around them.

They shouldn't be allowed to keep having kids. Not out of punishment, but out of prevention. Future kids shouldn't have to be neglected, then end up in a crap care system. The lifelong emotional damage this does.

I won't defend their rights. I'll defend the rights of any future kids to not have to endure that.

I don't believe in whole life sentencing and think that all crimes should have a defined tariff. I fully supported the European court of human rights assessment that indeterminate sentencing was a breach of prisoner's human rights.

So?

There you go OP. Myth 11 and Myth 16. It took 10 seconds to find.
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/

Well there was a lot of state control of human bodies and minds recently under the excuse of a mild illness and it was welcome by many on here. At the end they were begging for more freedoms taken away. For they believed that would protect them.

Who decides what the "worst" and "most serious" cases are? How will that be monitored? What happens if someone is wrongly found guilty?

That has nothing to do with punishing paedophiles.

What you want is to be able to get rid of people's ability to make bad decisions by removing their rights and freedoms because you don't like the choices their make.

The world is not perfect. There will always be criminality, neglect and carelessness. Trying to prevent that by taking away people's rights is an awful way of doing it.

Why don't you support preventative education programmes and effective support of public services that made a difference like sure start and drug rehabilitation programmes? These positive interventions in people's lives are far more effective than threatening them with forced medical procedures.

For goodness sake OP! ‘Their rights’ are our rights! How are you not understanding that? We all agree that these people should be punished and that the system is failing children. It’s disgusting. But you have to go away and educate yourself around the reasons why we cannot sanction castration and sterilisation.

I'm sorry you have experienced child abuse, I truly am. I wish no child ever had to go through it.

Laws aren't enforced or informed by vulnerable children for very good reasons. Many abused women don't want their abusers to suffer, relationships are complicated.

I'm not suggested castration (or steralisation) as a means of punishment. It's as a means of prevention so they don't get keep having children and ruining their lives.

But from the responses on this thread, I'm obviously in the minority. The majority of posters are satisfied with the system and presumably want child abusers to have the right to future children, and that's fair enough. Luckily for them, I'm not a policy maker.

Educate me then. Tell me a better solution.

Was waiting for the lockdown sceptics to arrive with their batshittery!

False equivalence. We are not talking about a major global viral pandemic so back in your box please.

All rapists should have their cock and balls removed and they should be labotomised too.

Absolutely zero tolerance. Britain would be a much better place without these kinds of men among us.

Make arrangements to attend the next NatC conference OP, you'll fit right in with a bunch of like-minded people.

lobotomised

Good grief.

Luckily for ALL citizens you will never be in any sort of position of power. You lack the mental capacity to make educated decisions. You are now flouncing off with some nonsense that we are satisfied with the system. Who here has said that they are satisfied with the current laws and policies? Please direct us to this. Instead of trying to educate yourself and listening to reasoned and logical argument, you have stamped your feet, had a tantrum and put words in our mouths that were not said. Just out of interest, do you write things about The UK being ‘our country’ and share stories of lost dogs in Texas from 1999 on FB? It would support a theory I’m looking into.