To believe in forced castration?

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Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

Your 'idea' would disproportionately impact abused and vulnerable women, who are often trapped in relationships with the men you describe.

No, we are a civilised society, not a medieval one. There may be uncivilised people living among us but we have to stay civilised. The alternative is decent into mayhem.

Rape isn't about sex, it's about control and violence.

People shout "eugenics" as if all forms = nazi style evil.

I think there is a case for not allowing those who have caused demonstrable harm to children to reproduce again. Less clear cut is those who "can't" rather than "don't" look after their children.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

Because we're not practising fucking eugenics in a nightmare society, that's why.

YABU. And I suspect you know that really. I've worked closely with criminologists and whilst the impulse to enact brutal physical punishment upon violent offenders is not.....uncommon, it's an absolute non starter for anything approaching a civilized society. Its just an emotive response.

Well said.

I also imagine that if you remove the victims of abusive parents, nothing stops them from abusive other children instead. If you are that twisted...

I am happy to lock them up forever for that reason.

As much as I wouldn’t cry any tears about a paedophile having their bits chopped off, it’s not something I could advocate for. It’s a really slippery slope and as history has shown us, once you start ‘othering’ people and deeming certain punishments acceptable for them, the consequences can end up being dire. Sex offenders should be locked away for life, whether the offence is deemed ‘minor’ (no such thing imo). More pressure needs to be put on the government to build more prisons to house these disgusting individuals. Sentencing needs to be far harsher than it is.

In cases where a woman is having child after child and they are immediately being handed over to the state or going home to a neglectful and abusive environment, I’m not sure what the answer is. As much as it pains me to say, I don’t think forced sterilisation is the answer here either. Again, harsher prison sentences would help. If they were found guilty of neglect and/or abuse, they should be locked up for a very long time. This would negate the situation where they were getting pregnant again and again and repeating a vicious cycle. In many cases like this, the women themselves have or are being abused or have MH conditions (I am not excusing the behaviour, just highlighting why many of the offences are committed). Cycles of abuse are often repeated, and that often includes the mother repeating the environment she has grown up in. I really struggle with the answer here. I just know that at the end of it all, innocent children are always the victims and the shockingly lenient sentences we very often give the perpetrators are an absolute slap in the face to those who have suffered sickening abuse and neglect.

And if the opportunity to sterilise was missed, and an abusive woman got pregnant, would you then support forced abortion too?

It wouldn't make a bit of difference. There is no cure for Paedophilia, anyone who is attracted to children needs locking away forever. No second chances.

No. I think life imprisonment is a better idea and that's a very good use of taxes in my view.

I can't agree with allowing the state to kill or maim people no matter what because I think human rights should be protected at all costs.

I don't disagree in principle and if I see a mother ripping the balls off a man who abused her son I cheer but that doesn't mean I would hand over such powers to the state -the state can change over time and we can't possibly trust all future governments with such power, even if we trust this one with it.

Yeah right.
Maybe pre-emptive castration too? Just to be on the safe side. Perhaps for any man that works with children or any other vulnerable group.

I completely agree with this. It is utter madness that we ever release paedophiles. They are always a danger. They never stop being a danger. They are some of the most evil and manipulative members of our society. They couldn’t lie straight, as my mother would say. We need proper sentencing. If you are convicted of an offence against a child you deserve a life in prison. And that means life. No second chances. I would question why anyone thought a paedophile could be rehabilitated or ‘monitored’ in the community. It’s like owning a dog that viciously attacks a child and then allowing it to run around a school playground. No decent person would do it.

Agree with every word. They are never rehabilitated. They just get better at hiding it.

I'm all for increased penalties for sex offenders but not to the point they'd get physically mutilated. That seems very wrong and prone to the same failings as death penalties and corporal punishment

What if someone was falsely accused? Very very rare, I know but still not worth the risk for the small minority of individuals

Tell me you don't understand the complexity of the psychology behind why people rape, or the variety of causes of unacceptable sexual attractions.

If someone is paedophile because at some point as they grew up, the age of the person they're attracted to did NOT grow up with them.. say they hit 12, are interested in 12 year olds - but as they get to 15, 16... they're still* interested in 12 year olds...

Then choosing medication that stops sexual urges, or indeed, castration, is likely to have some degree of success.

However that is a tiny minority of sexual offenders (and those taking that option have very often not committed any sexual offence at all, they know it's wrong and don't want to, hence making that choice).

Rape is about control, its about force, it's about getting what you want, causing fear and panic in someone else. It's about putting your needs above anyone elses.

Sexual abuse of children can be the same - a person is making themselves feel good, by making someone else feel fear, terror, pain, helplessness, humiliation.

The ability to get a sexual thrill out of that is not generally relevant - it still feels good to them, its still exciting, their brains still become aroused and are fulfilled by the things they do.

So cutting off their balls (Which certainly doesn't actually remove all sexual ability or arousal anyway - I live with two castrated male dogs who can both get an erection, hump, be sexually aroused... and dog physiology is not significantly different to human!) won't help.

It would provide a false sense of security for many people though - it would actually be dangerous.

*I know that the word actually applies to a younger age group but it is the one most people use.

Oh my! What stop at that?! Let's bring back slavery too (no wait we still have that) and take away a lot of women's rights (no wait, we're doing that too). Maybe we should go for stoning and the stocks?? 😄

You seem to be operating under the illusion that sexual abuse occurs because of the perpetrators inability to control their sexual urges. This is entirely false and therefore sterilisation would be ineffective. What will you do about all the offending motivated by power, control, resentment, jealousy, anger etc.
Re the forced sterilisation for mothers who have multiple children removed from their care..again, you're not dealing with the causes. Programmes like Pause are effective and helpful. Otherwise we just leave traumatised and vulnerable women with additional trauma. The point should be to leave everyone better than we found them. How do we make the distinction between who might be safe to keep a future child qnd who never will? What if the mother is a victim of abuse or alcohol dependent but then moves on and turns her life around. I've assessed many women to keep care of second or third babies after their first was removed, because they have made substantial change.

Any man who rapes and sexually molests a child should have his cock and balls chopped off . For child abusers male and female they should be sterilised. Anyone who murders a child should have the death penalty.
Of course this would never be passed as law as its their yuman rites, innit!!

Yes, I thought this thread was likely to unearth people with that viewpoint.

Physical or chemical castration do not eliminate chances of reoffending or prevent sexual violence or aggressive behaviours.

It reduces sex drive and seminal fluid. That’s it. The desire to rape and hurt is still there as is the drive to exert power and control (which is what rape is about), even with a zero testosterone level.

Any man who rapes and sexually molests a child should have his cock and balls chopped off

Yep, sounds like a great power to grant the state. Maybe we can put Robert Maudsley into useful employment.

Some people have no idea. Or they just don't think before they type.

Perfectly put. Can't stand the paedo apologists that come out on these threads. People who do that do not deserve human rights. What about the innocent childs human rights?
Paedophiles were usually abused themselves so this kind of treatment would stop the cycle, which will always continue otherwise.