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Has the mother of dd's best friend just gaslighted me??

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 18:36

Hi everyone, long story here. DD is 9 years old and autistic, and so is her best-friend. I've always had a cordial relationship with the mum of the best-friend, though I have found that she can be pushy and persistent when she wants information off me. Anyway, just recently I found that this woman's texting became excessive because she felt that her dd was being bullied by another friend of both of our kids, lets call her child X. This woman kept insisting that my dd playing with child X meant that her child was feeling excluded. And any time she felt left out, she would go home and complain to mum, and this woman would be onto texting me about it. Just for a bit more background, both this woman's daughter and my daughter have had a difficult on again off again friendship with child X. In the past she has been aggressive and has lashed out and hit both of our kids. This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X. But I found that in spite of telling my dd not to play with child X, she maintained the friendship, and things actually improved. My dd did not want to admit to me that she'd carried on being friends with child X. I was however getting regular updates from this woman that my dd and child X were good friends and child X was constantly preventing the friendship between her daughter and mine. This woman had a real dislike for child X and was always adamant that her daughter was not to go around this child. Over the last 2 months, she started texting me nearly every other day with complaints about child X separating and getting in the way of her dd's friendship with my dd. She would say stuff like "My dd wanted to play with yours today, but child X took her away. Poor girls for being separated like that" Or "just to let you know my dd has told me that your dd is still playing with child X, today they were partners in Science. I don't know how much you want your dd around child X, but for me and my dd, if we don't like someone that's it, we don't go around them. Its not talking to them one day, and then ignoring them the next." Or "child X is using really sly tactics to keep our kids away from each other. My dd told me when someone asked your dd who is their best friend, child X whispered in your dd's ear pick me, and she picked her. Its this sort of shit that my dd doesn't need from child X." I don't why I put up with these texts for so long, but they were really starting to irritate the life out of me. They were just petty and silly childish things. I told this woman this was normal for kids at their age, but she kept insisting that there was an element of bullying present. This woman was also calling child X "a little shit" and was very insistent that her dd was being left out and excluded because child X was stopping the friendship between my dd and her's. I asked this woman what she wanted me to do about this, and she just kept on and on about how her dd was suffering due to exclusion and bullying from child X. As always there are 2 sides to a story, and when I probed my dd further about this, I was told that not only was child X friendly with my dd, but this woman's dd and child X were also friendly and were playing with each other. When I told this woman, she just denied it all and kept saying "no that's not what I've been told. My dd hates child X and stays away from her, it makes no sense for my dd to go back for more. " In the end I told this woman that I didn't want to get involved in the kids friendship and was going to let my dd make her own decisions about who to be friends with. This woman did not back off, and carried on with the messaging. I got another message saying "I know you said you don't want to get involved, but I'm just letting you know that child X is taking advantage of your dd. And if you say your dd is being diplomatic, child x is using that against her. " These persistent messages were really starting to stress me out, and I was trying my best to keep things polite. I was getting 3 or 4 whatsapp messages in a row, and if I didn't respond, she would send another 2 or 3 more the next day. This woman could see that we were not on the same page, and my approach was different to her's. Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance." She was also saying stuff like "child X is going to stop giving my dd any shit, I'll make sure of it!" When I reiterated to this woman again that I don't want to get involved, she made it out like she was actually trying to help me by warning me about what child X is like. She also said I should be grateful that her dd tells her these things, saying "I doubt you'd know any of this if my dd wasn't telling me. As you told me before, your dd doesn't talk to you much at home." This comment really irritated me, because my dd used to have a speech delay and is still on the quiet side and doesn't talk much at home. But she can speak enough to tell me when something is bothering her. This woman proceeded to tell me that in the beginning I was supportive but now I am the complete opposite because I wasn't stopping my dd from playing with child X. I was also becoming uncomfortable with the few times the woman had referred to child x as "a little shit", I don't why I didn't call her out on this. Anyway after weeks of these persistent texts which were based on her child's version of the story, I told this woman for the third time that I didn't want to get involved and that if she had any concerns, it's best she spoke to the school. I also told her I didn't want her giving me anymore updates about what my dd has been doing at school, and would rather hear this from my dd or the teacher. This woman then said she was done and not going into this anymore, then suddenly decided to cancel a playdate that she herself had initiated and we had planned weeks before for both of our daughters, her reason being that she wasn't feeling well. It almost felt like the playdate was cancelled because she didn't like me standing up for myself. This was just last weekend. Fast forward to yesterday, I spoke to one of the teachers at school drop off who had a very different version of the story to what this woman had been telling me. As it turns out, her dd, mine and child X are all pretty good friends and play together all the time. This whole time for a few months, this woman had been insisting to me that her child had nothing to do with child X, and it was my child and child X who were excluding her's. I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out, after all the stress her pushy and persistent texts had caused me, including a few snarky comments about my dd. I told her that she had been insisting this whole time that my daughter's friendship with child X was excluding her dd. I told her that her dd isn't staying away from child X, in fact all 3 of them are quite good friends. I then added "in future it would be a good idea to speak to the school first and get both sides of the story, instead of going to another parent and criticising their child just based on one side of the story." I was so irritated by some of her snarky comments based on what her daughter had been telling her, which wasn't the same as what my daughter had told me, or even what school told me, and I wanted to stand up for myself. Anyway this woman did not acknowledge that she'd upset me, and instead replied with "why are you telling me this? How massively random of you. I haven't got a problem with the kids friendships and that's why I have no need to go to the school for anything. And if I did have concerns, I would go to the school, unless you've slagged me off to the school? If the school have a problem with me, they can tell me, you don't tell me, I am very confused about why you've told me this. I've been telling you for ages that if I do have any concerns, I'd go to the school." She then blocked me.
If you have been patient enough to read my story to the end, I really appreciate it. I feel like my head has been messed with big time, is this gaslighting, changing and twisting facts, mind games? She completely denied that she was the one that had initiated all this moany text messages complaining about the kids friendship issues, and when I told her the other side of the story this is how she twists the whole thing to make it my problem. I feel like my brain has just been spun through the washing machine.

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Slowandwobbly · 10/06/2023 22:09

I voted YABU because you continued to engage with her long after you first knew she was being ridiculous and was unhinged.

As others have said, you are just annoyed because she blocked you first when you should have done so a long time ago.

SoShallINever · 10/06/2023 22:10

Look, just drop your DD at the school gate, go to work, pick her up at hometime and get on with your evening.
This woman and these school friendship dramas are not important.
Don't engage.
It's the teachers I feel sorry for.

LOLsloth · 10/06/2023 22:17

Can you break this into paragraphs?

WiddlinDiddlin · 10/06/2023 22:18

I read it all... paragraphs definitely would have helped.

Stay well away from her, she seems to love drama and want to drag others into it too..

I suspect when you stopped responding and blocked her, she probably got the truth out of either her DD or a teacher.

Then when you found out same and messaged her to gloat (which was silly!), she then denied absolutely everything ever, for always.

Which is good reason to stay the heck away from her really!

Sothisisitthen · 10/06/2023 22:47

Your last message was unnecessary. Just block her back in case she changes her mind as she sounds batshit. Next time, disengage a lot sooner!

LuvSmallDogs · 10/06/2023 23:04

I skimmed, as the huge chunks of text are hard to get through, sorry.

I really couldn't be fucked with someone trying to stir drama between me and a 9 y/o child.

The example of Kid 1 asking Kid 2 "who's your bff?" in front of Kid 3 and whinging to mum that Kid 3 said "pick me" and Kid 2 compiled - I would just tell my 9 y/o he shouldn't have asked, as the kid being asked is in an awkward position and someone was bound to get upset by the answer.

Her getting so worked up over something that petty would be more than enough for me to distance myself, tbh.

I feel bad for this lad's daughter though. She will learn no resilience and lose out on a lot of out of school playdates - maybe even friendships - if this woman carries on this way.

LuvSmallDogs · 10/06/2023 23:05

Lady's, haha

Shelby2010 · 10/06/2023 23:38

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 10/06/2023 22:07

Just like OP's DD did. She didn't dare tell her mum either. OP only found out because this other mum told her.

Very true.

OwlsRock · 10/06/2023 23:48

PARAGRAPHS!

Mars2020 · 11/06/2023 00:53

ThePoint678 · 10/06/2023 20:55

You were both nasty to bitch about this other child. You were both trying to control your children’s friendships. You only stopped when you realised your daughter wasn’t listening to your instructions and was still playing with the other child. Then you get annoyed because she continues to moan about the other child.

Seems like it turns out your daughter is a better judge of character and of the situation, than you, so she continued the friendship.

Hot tip - if you have a legitimate concern about your child, take it up with the school.

And you are asking people’s opinions, so I’m sorry I’m not “being kind and supportive” but you asked.

@ ThePoint
So you write a rude reply just to take a dig at me, then end your post with a fake apology by referencing my words that I had used to thank people who responded kindly? To clarify your assumptions about me, I never bitched about child X. I initially did agree with this woman that the friendship between our kids and child X was not healthy, as child X had shown physical aggression towards them on a few occasions. And no I did not stop the moaning because I realised that my dd was not listening to my instructions. I stopped because I realised that I shouldn't be interfering with the kids friendships. If you read my post properly you'd see that I told this other woman several times that I'd decided not to get involved in friendship issues, yet she persisted. But there's no point in trying to explain the situation to you, as you'll very likely just come with another rude and nasty reply.

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BigChesterDraws · 11/06/2023 03:14

Way too much to read. Mostly trivial nonsense. But in answer to your question, no, are did not gaslight you. Not even close. Gaslighting is a prolonged subtle form of mental to rite. So subtle that you wouldn’t even know it was happening. But you would start to question your own sanity and think you were hallucinating. At most this woman has been economical with the truth.

I really wish people would stop overusing such terminology on here. It’s ridiculous.

jajajajaja · 11/06/2023 07:38

BigChesterDraws · 11/06/2023 03:14

Way too much to read. Mostly trivial nonsense. But in answer to your question, no, are did not gaslight you. Not even close. Gaslighting is a prolonged subtle form of mental to rite. So subtle that you wouldn’t even know it was happening. But you would start to question your own sanity and think you were hallucinating. At most this woman has been economical with the truth.

I really wish people would stop overusing such terminology on here. It’s ridiculous.

Gaslighting is not always over a long period of time. That was just in the movie. Gaslighting starts with a single episode. It's still gaslighting the first time it happens.

Ponoka7 · 11/06/2023 08:30

Mars2020 · 11/06/2023 00:53

@ ThePoint
So you write a rude reply just to take a dig at me, then end your post with a fake apology by referencing my words that I had used to thank people who responded kindly? To clarify your assumptions about me, I never bitched about child X. I initially did agree with this woman that the friendship between our kids and child X was not healthy, as child X had shown physical aggression towards them on a few occasions. And no I did not stop the moaning because I realised that my dd was not listening to my instructions. I stopped because I realised that I shouldn't be interfering with the kids friendships. If you read my post properly you'd see that I told this other woman several times that I'd decided not to get involved in friendship issues, yet she persisted. But there's no point in trying to explain the situation to you, as you'll very likely just come with another rude and nasty reply.

I don't think that the reply was rude, it was an honest opinion. As you say, lesson learned. It was ridiculous to be messaging back and forth over the friendship of nine year olds. I say that as someone who has three adult DD and Granddaughters in primary. My youngest is autistic and I understand the protectiveness, but they still are best left to navigate friendships and disagreements etc. Within eighteen months, things will change massively and it will be usual to start to form friendship groups. For your own sanity, mostly leave it to your DD.

towriteyoumustlive · 11/06/2023 08:42

I was with you until you said you messaged her back after the teacher meeting which was essentially bragging and absolutely unnecessary.

MzHz · 11/06/2023 08:58

WarmButteryCrumpets · 10/06/2023 19:17

I read it all... she's bonkers. Block, move on, don't waste any more time thinking about her.

Exactly this

to all those whinging about it being too long, whatever’s or TL:DN. grow up.

if your lives are so crammed that you can’t spend a few mins reading a post on mumsnet, you’d not be on mn in the first place.

there’s no need to be snarky about this thread. It sounds like @Mars2020 has been utterly put through the ringer by this lunatic woman.

I had a friend who got obsessed by shit like this, it was exhausting! I don’t remotely care about her dc friendships, but the angst was crushing. I’m not in touch with her any more. I don’t miss the non-drama drama

Flustercuckoo · 11/06/2023 09:20

Maybe she was trying to oust YOUR dd from the little group so her dd had child x to herself.

But anyway, who cares, block her and move on.

Goldfishonabike · 27/10/2023 09:14

as someone who also has a 9 year old DD with social problems with friends I understand the concern and desire to sort it things for the kids. But it never helps to talk to other parents. Support your own child and let them work things out by themselves. At most, talk to school staff, that’s the only sensible thing, and whatever is said by school staff, keep that to yourself.

HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 09:59

She sounds difficult. I’m not a psychiatrist and can’t diagnose gaslighting but she’s certainly being dishonest and twisting the facts to suit herself. I think you should stay out of it as best you can (as you have been trying to do) and accept that she’s a difficult woman and you won’t be friends with her going forward. Your children can still be friends without you and her needing to be.

Mars2020 · 27/10/2023 12:38

@HomeatRoseCottage thank you for your reply. I've had a few months to reflect on this and your advice is spot on, we don't need to be friends in order for our daughters to carry on with their friendship. And yes I have come to the conclusion that she is a difficult woman who thinks she's always right. I have spent a great deal of time analysing her. Have seen this side of her on other occasions too, where just like you said, she twists facts to her own benefit. She has twisted things around before to make it sound like certain things have come from her, or they are her original ideas when they actually haven't been, they've been things I've said to her first. I was baffled by how blantantly she tries to pass off my own ideas and thoughts back to me, as if they were her own, or completely twist the story to avoid taking any accountability. She is definitely not an honest person. Thank you for sharing your insight x

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YellowRoses100 · 27/10/2023 12:51

Leave it and tell your daughter to play who she wants to play with. I jad similar with one of my Dd's friends. We all suspect she is autistic but her mother denies this and friends mum is always interfering in friendships. We all pit different schools down for kids. And unfortunately my Dd ended up in a class with this child. Now they are still together

Fozyart · 27/10/2023 19:37

I can't believe all the people complaining it was too long!
You're not unreasonable. She is. I did wonder if she's on the spectrum herself, given her lack of social boundaries and insight.

19847499fddqqedxx · 27/10/2023 19:51

This woman is a complete liar, I read it all even though it was really long and she tried twisting it that her daughter was being excluded but in reality she had a vendetta against child X and tried excluding her using her daughter and yours to push her out based on her own dislike of this girl.
She has twisted it round to make out she’s now not got a problem because a teacher has got involved and she’s been rumbled.
She clearly has nothing better to do with her time than go out of her way to control and manipulate people. Stay away from her people like her are trouble and create the biggest issues, she will probably involve herself in your daughter and her daughters friendship and drive them apart for spite tbh.
So be prepared for that.

MadKittenWoman · 27/10/2023 19:58

Please use paragraphs. This is virtually impossible to read.

CaroleSinger · 27/10/2023 20:07

Christ almighty. I really can't read that wall of text. Can you just summarise the main points?

Lavender14 · 27/10/2023 20:14

Have nothing more to do with her op, she sounds manipulative and honestly just weird.

I'm not sure what her motivation was, talking that way about a child. It sounds like after all the snide comments she's made, you've proven her wrong and she's not been big enough to own it. So she's put it back on you, made you doubt yourself and gaslit you.

I'd give her a wide berth and let all info come from the school from now on as you've suggested to her.

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