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Has the mother of dd's best friend just gaslighted me??

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 18:36

Hi everyone, long story here. DD is 9 years old and autistic, and so is her best-friend. I've always had a cordial relationship with the mum of the best-friend, though I have found that she can be pushy and persistent when she wants information off me. Anyway, just recently I found that this woman's texting became excessive because she felt that her dd was being bullied by another friend of both of our kids, lets call her child X. This woman kept insisting that my dd playing with child X meant that her child was feeling excluded. And any time she felt left out, she would go home and complain to mum, and this woman would be onto texting me about it. Just for a bit more background, both this woman's daughter and my daughter have had a difficult on again off again friendship with child X. In the past she has been aggressive and has lashed out and hit both of our kids. This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X. But I found that in spite of telling my dd not to play with child X, she maintained the friendship, and things actually improved. My dd did not want to admit to me that she'd carried on being friends with child X. I was however getting regular updates from this woman that my dd and child X were good friends and child X was constantly preventing the friendship between her daughter and mine. This woman had a real dislike for child X and was always adamant that her daughter was not to go around this child. Over the last 2 months, she started texting me nearly every other day with complaints about child X separating and getting in the way of her dd's friendship with my dd. She would say stuff like "My dd wanted to play with yours today, but child X took her away. Poor girls for being separated like that" Or "just to let you know my dd has told me that your dd is still playing with child X, today they were partners in Science. I don't know how much you want your dd around child X, but for me and my dd, if we don't like someone that's it, we don't go around them. Its not talking to them one day, and then ignoring them the next." Or "child X is using really sly tactics to keep our kids away from each other. My dd told me when someone asked your dd who is their best friend, child X whispered in your dd's ear pick me, and she picked her. Its this sort of shit that my dd doesn't need from child X." I don't why I put up with these texts for so long, but they were really starting to irritate the life out of me. They were just petty and silly childish things. I told this woman this was normal for kids at their age, but she kept insisting that there was an element of bullying present. This woman was also calling child X "a little shit" and was very insistent that her dd was being left out and excluded because child X was stopping the friendship between my dd and her's. I asked this woman what she wanted me to do about this, and she just kept on and on about how her dd was suffering due to exclusion and bullying from child X. As always there are 2 sides to a story, and when I probed my dd further about this, I was told that not only was child X friendly with my dd, but this woman's dd and child X were also friendly and were playing with each other. When I told this woman, she just denied it all and kept saying "no that's not what I've been told. My dd hates child X and stays away from her, it makes no sense for my dd to go back for more. " In the end I told this woman that I didn't want to get involved in the kids friendship and was going to let my dd make her own decisions about who to be friends with. This woman did not back off, and carried on with the messaging. I got another message saying "I know you said you don't want to get involved, but I'm just letting you know that child X is taking advantage of your dd. And if you say your dd is being diplomatic, child x is using that against her. " These persistent messages were really starting to stress me out, and I was trying my best to keep things polite. I was getting 3 or 4 whatsapp messages in a row, and if I didn't respond, she would send another 2 or 3 more the next day. This woman could see that we were not on the same page, and my approach was different to her's. Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance." She was also saying stuff like "child X is going to stop giving my dd any shit, I'll make sure of it!" When I reiterated to this woman again that I don't want to get involved, she made it out like she was actually trying to help me by warning me about what child X is like. She also said I should be grateful that her dd tells her these things, saying "I doubt you'd know any of this if my dd wasn't telling me. As you told me before, your dd doesn't talk to you much at home." This comment really irritated me, because my dd used to have a speech delay and is still on the quiet side and doesn't talk much at home. But she can speak enough to tell me when something is bothering her. This woman proceeded to tell me that in the beginning I was supportive but now I am the complete opposite because I wasn't stopping my dd from playing with child X. I was also becoming uncomfortable with the few times the woman had referred to child x as "a little shit", I don't why I didn't call her out on this. Anyway after weeks of these persistent texts which were based on her child's version of the story, I told this woman for the third time that I didn't want to get involved and that if she had any concerns, it's best she spoke to the school. I also told her I didn't want her giving me anymore updates about what my dd has been doing at school, and would rather hear this from my dd or the teacher. This woman then said she was done and not going into this anymore, then suddenly decided to cancel a playdate that she herself had initiated and we had planned weeks before for both of our daughters, her reason being that she wasn't feeling well. It almost felt like the playdate was cancelled because she didn't like me standing up for myself. This was just last weekend. Fast forward to yesterday, I spoke to one of the teachers at school drop off who had a very different version of the story to what this woman had been telling me. As it turns out, her dd, mine and child X are all pretty good friends and play together all the time. This whole time for a few months, this woman had been insisting to me that her child had nothing to do with child X, and it was my child and child X who were excluding her's. I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out, after all the stress her pushy and persistent texts had caused me, including a few snarky comments about my dd. I told her that she had been insisting this whole time that my daughter's friendship with child X was excluding her dd. I told her that her dd isn't staying away from child X, in fact all 3 of them are quite good friends. I then added "in future it would be a good idea to speak to the school first and get both sides of the story, instead of going to another parent and criticising their child just based on one side of the story." I was so irritated by some of her snarky comments based on what her daughter had been telling her, which wasn't the same as what my daughter had told me, or even what school told me, and I wanted to stand up for myself. Anyway this woman did not acknowledge that she'd upset me, and instead replied with "why are you telling me this? How massively random of you. I haven't got a problem with the kids friendships and that's why I have no need to go to the school for anything. And if I did have concerns, I would go to the school, unless you've slagged me off to the school? If the school have a problem with me, they can tell me, you don't tell me, I am very confused about why you've told me this. I've been telling you for ages that if I do have any concerns, I'd go to the school." She then blocked me.
If you have been patient enough to read my story to the end, I really appreciate it. I feel like my head has been messed with big time, is this gaslighting, changing and twisting facts, mind games? She completely denied that she was the one that had initiated all this moany text messages complaining about the kids friendship issues, and when I told her the other side of the story this is how she twists the whole thing to make it my problem. I feel like my brain has just been spun through the washing machine.

OP posts:
AxolotlOnions · 10/06/2023 21:15

booksahoy · 10/06/2023 19:30

I read to the end - sounds very stressful! Yes, you've been gaslit. She sounds unhinged - keep her at arm's length wherever possible. We have a similar parent at school and the issues just get exponentially worse as they transition into secondary school. Keep a safe distance!

Also, to the PP who suggested autism - maybe the woman is just aggressive and inappropriate? Must all bad behaviour be due to autism?! 😠

She has an autistic daughter, autism is genetic, she is obsessive, doesn't understand social boundaries, doesn't like to be corrected... I know a lot of autistic people, my family and I are all autistic, her behaviour does hint to autism.

Followill · 10/06/2023 21:16

Christ on a bike I would've blocked her a loooooonnnnnnggg time ago.

RicherThanYews · 10/06/2023 21:17

Fuck me, that woman sounds a psycho. Good on you for trying to stand firm and tell her you didn't want to be involved. I wouldn't have been able to resist one message to her once I knew the truth either tbh. I would advise you not to say anything to your daughter about PsychoMams daughter and their friendship as kids have big mouths and it could start trouble that you don't want.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 21:22

Be happy that she has blocked you. She sounds insane.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 10/06/2023 21:23

OP - there’s nothing wrong with writing (very) long posts per se, but please, for the sake of the reader, use paragraphs!!

I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out

This is where it all went wrong for you ^^

I get that you wanted to feel vindicated. But do you, after sending her that text?

No. You dont. Because as you said, she gaslit you.

You didn’t get the outcome you wanted from that text at all. In fact, you feel worse.

You were in the right the whole way along - you gave your DD autonomy to handle her own friendship and situation. You held boundaries with her friend’s Mum, you had the higher ground, you were the bigger person.

And then, with that ‘I told you so’ text, it all fell apart.

Lesson learnt.

jajajajaja · 10/06/2023 21:30

Not really going to be good at gaslighting you when you no doubt have all the previous messages on your phone.

Is it possible that she wants to split your dd and child X up so her dd has her all to herself?

I dunno. Better out if it

Pointypointything · 10/06/2023 21:31

I would say, I'm very surprised that both of you have children with ASD yet were being unkind about child X. Whilst of course you don't want your child around another that regularly hurts them I would have thought that it would occur to you that child X clearly has their own struggles. The other mum saying to have nothing to do with her and encouraging both your girls to exclude her is horrible. At the end of the day they spend 6+ hours together every day, imo the best advice to kids is that you don't have to like everyone but you do need to be respectful and rub along in a class setting.

Anyway, I'd be glad the other mum has blocked you. Your dd sounds like she's got her head screwed on, trust her to make her own judgements regarding friendships.

AndDoTheTangoInTheNightTAAAAAANGOOO · 10/06/2023 21:33

What a long ranmberling essay (lacking in paragraphs). They're 9, honestly why didn't you block her when she started texting you like this? Who on earth can be arsed to be so overinvolved in their kids friendships?

One of my best friends left primary teaching a few years ago (she was a brilliant teacher too) She said the one thing that made her job shit/so much harder was the parents, the kids were great but their parent's 😬. Threads like this make me realise what she meant.

AndDoTheTangoInTheNightTAAAAAANGOOO · 10/06/2023 21:37

riotlady · 10/06/2023 19:32

So basically she texted you endlessly about this other child, you repeatedly told her to stop and then when she finally did stop you restarted the whole issue just to feel like you got one up on her? She sounds like a pain, you were pointless and petty to reopen the whole issue, she’s blocked you now so thankfully that should be the end of it

Synopsis 😆

Theunamedcat · 10/06/2023 21:39

Well you got the outcome you wanted love it when the trash takes itself out she sounds demented 😂

If she does try and fixate on you and claim your the one in the wrong screenshot and save her deranged texts ready for a little show and tell 😉

a1poshpaws · 10/06/2023 21:41

I read to the end - I don't really see how you could have summarised and still given the full picture.

I also sympathise because a while ago I was gaslighted by someone with whom I believed I'd had a solid friendship for approx. ten years, and near the end I truly wondered if I had become clinically paranoid.

Luckily for me, I'd shown the texted conversations to someone else, who'd written in her diary that "when I met poshpaws today she was really upset by X's behaviour and she showed me the conversation" and so was able to give me the date the whole crapshow began.

When I confronted the gaslighting friend her response was to become angry and cry, telling me how much I'd hurt her by believing she could do - what she did!

So I completely get why you're so upset. The woman is bonkers; and if she can call an autistic child a little shit, even though she has direct experience of her own autistic child's difficult behaviours, then just thank God that she's blocked you and whenever you see her in future, ignore her. It's she who's shit.

tillytoodles1 · 10/06/2023 21:41

Paragraphs please.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 10/06/2023 21:42

AndDoTheTangoInTheNightTAAAAAANGOOO · 10/06/2023 21:33

What a long ranmberling essay (lacking in paragraphs). They're 9, honestly why didn't you block her when she started texting you like this? Who on earth can be arsed to be so overinvolved in their kids friendships?

One of my best friends left primary teaching a few years ago (she was a brilliant teacher too) She said the one thing that made her job shit/so much harder was the parents, the kids were great but their parent's 😬. Threads like this make me realise what she meant.

This is why.

This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X.

OP liked playing the game for a while.

AnnesBrokenSlate · 10/06/2023 21:44

Daisydu · 10/06/2023 19:45

“The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids”
a teacher would not name the other child. They just wouldn’t. And if they did that’s wrong.

Teachers often confirm it eg if you already have the information.
Your post is interesting though. It explains why the parents of the DC who has hurt numerous DCs, at our school, think they can pretend he's never hurt anyone. They must have the same belief as you that teachers don't confirm.

Ewock · 10/06/2023 21:47

She did gaslight you. She sounds unstable and obsessed. Now you have said your peace she is backtracking and basically repeating what you said to her as if they were her words. If she unblocks you I would ignore any messages and leave them on unread. Very tiring situation for you

nutbrownhare15 · 10/06/2023 21:48

She's been caught out, doesn't like it, and has changed the narrative to suit her and blocked you so you can't respond. Very frustrating but I'd be grateful you aren't getting any more messages from her (hopefully!) Ultimately the less bandwidth you give her nonsense in your head, the better.

Candymay · 10/06/2023 21:49

Jeepers that was long. And no paragraphs for politeness.

I got almost half way but then had to bow out.

I think the other mum is a nuisance. Try not to worry about her opinions.

Brigitteshittette · 10/06/2023 21:55

This is an enormous waste of energy.
It required one concise chat with a teacher , and then a watchful eye from then on.
It didn’t require discussion with this woman, and doesn’t going forwards.it’s very toxic, the breezy approach to life can be most rewarding.

JustAnotherUsey · 10/06/2023 21:56

You have all the messages from her going on about it constantly so there is your proof that she is gaslighting you. But her blocking you solves the problem. Now you don't need to worry about her sending messages all the time.

DMLady · 10/06/2023 21:58

Why do some people find it too hard to read if a post is on the long side? If you can’t be bothered to read, fine — don’t. But don’t then post complaining about length! It’s up to the OP how detailed they make their post, and there are no rules on here about word count…
OP, I can see why this mum has done your head in. I’d just ignore her now and be glad she’s leaving you alone finally…

Shelby2010 · 10/06/2023 22:00

I’d screenshot the messages in case nutjob woman decides to tell X’s mum that you were the one doing the bitching. She might decide that this time it’s your DD that needs to be excluded.

Also it’s likely that her DD avoided saying they were playing together because she didn’t want to get in trouble with her mum.

croft89 · 10/06/2023 22:05

Have you ever heard of a paragraph?

BadNomad · 10/06/2023 22:05

How do you know she wasn't just going by what her daughter was telling her? I mean, neither girl was supposed to be playing with girl X, so her daughter might have been telling her that she wasn't playing with her but your daughter was.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 10/06/2023 22:07

Shelby2010 · 10/06/2023 22:00

I’d screenshot the messages in case nutjob woman decides to tell X’s mum that you were the one doing the bitching. She might decide that this time it’s your DD that needs to be excluded.

Also it’s likely that her DD avoided saying they were playing together because she didn’t want to get in trouble with her mum.

Just like OP's DD did. She didn't dare tell her mum either. OP only found out because this other mum told her.

Heytheredeliah · 10/06/2023 22:08

Woah too long. I also feel sorry for the teacher