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Has the mother of dd's best friend just gaslighted me??

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 18:36

Hi everyone, long story here. DD is 9 years old and autistic, and so is her best-friend. I've always had a cordial relationship with the mum of the best-friend, though I have found that she can be pushy and persistent when she wants information off me. Anyway, just recently I found that this woman's texting became excessive because she felt that her dd was being bullied by another friend of both of our kids, lets call her child X. This woman kept insisting that my dd playing with child X meant that her child was feeling excluded. And any time she felt left out, she would go home and complain to mum, and this woman would be onto texting me about it. Just for a bit more background, both this woman's daughter and my daughter have had a difficult on again off again friendship with child X. In the past she has been aggressive and has lashed out and hit both of our kids. This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X. But I found that in spite of telling my dd not to play with child X, she maintained the friendship, and things actually improved. My dd did not want to admit to me that she'd carried on being friends with child X. I was however getting regular updates from this woman that my dd and child X were good friends and child X was constantly preventing the friendship between her daughter and mine. This woman had a real dislike for child X and was always adamant that her daughter was not to go around this child. Over the last 2 months, she started texting me nearly every other day with complaints about child X separating and getting in the way of her dd's friendship with my dd. She would say stuff like "My dd wanted to play with yours today, but child X took her away. Poor girls for being separated like that" Or "just to let you know my dd has told me that your dd is still playing with child X, today they were partners in Science. I don't know how much you want your dd around child X, but for me and my dd, if we don't like someone that's it, we don't go around them. Its not talking to them one day, and then ignoring them the next." Or "child X is using really sly tactics to keep our kids away from each other. My dd told me when someone asked your dd who is their best friend, child X whispered in your dd's ear pick me, and she picked her. Its this sort of shit that my dd doesn't need from child X." I don't why I put up with these texts for so long, but they were really starting to irritate the life out of me. They were just petty and silly childish things. I told this woman this was normal for kids at their age, but she kept insisting that there was an element of bullying present. This woman was also calling child X "a little shit" and was very insistent that her dd was being left out and excluded because child X was stopping the friendship between my dd and her's. I asked this woman what she wanted me to do about this, and she just kept on and on about how her dd was suffering due to exclusion and bullying from child X. As always there are 2 sides to a story, and when I probed my dd further about this, I was told that not only was child X friendly with my dd, but this woman's dd and child X were also friendly and were playing with each other. When I told this woman, she just denied it all and kept saying "no that's not what I've been told. My dd hates child X and stays away from her, it makes no sense for my dd to go back for more. " In the end I told this woman that I didn't want to get involved in the kids friendship and was going to let my dd make her own decisions about who to be friends with. This woman did not back off, and carried on with the messaging. I got another message saying "I know you said you don't want to get involved, but I'm just letting you know that child X is taking advantage of your dd. And if you say your dd is being diplomatic, child x is using that against her. " These persistent messages were really starting to stress me out, and I was trying my best to keep things polite. I was getting 3 or 4 whatsapp messages in a row, and if I didn't respond, she would send another 2 or 3 more the next day. This woman could see that we were not on the same page, and my approach was different to her's. Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance." She was also saying stuff like "child X is going to stop giving my dd any shit, I'll make sure of it!" When I reiterated to this woman again that I don't want to get involved, she made it out like she was actually trying to help me by warning me about what child X is like. She also said I should be grateful that her dd tells her these things, saying "I doubt you'd know any of this if my dd wasn't telling me. As you told me before, your dd doesn't talk to you much at home." This comment really irritated me, because my dd used to have a speech delay and is still on the quiet side and doesn't talk much at home. But she can speak enough to tell me when something is bothering her. This woman proceeded to tell me that in the beginning I was supportive but now I am the complete opposite because I wasn't stopping my dd from playing with child X. I was also becoming uncomfortable with the few times the woman had referred to child x as "a little shit", I don't why I didn't call her out on this. Anyway after weeks of these persistent texts which were based on her child's version of the story, I told this woman for the third time that I didn't want to get involved and that if she had any concerns, it's best she spoke to the school. I also told her I didn't want her giving me anymore updates about what my dd has been doing at school, and would rather hear this from my dd or the teacher. This woman then said she was done and not going into this anymore, then suddenly decided to cancel a playdate that she herself had initiated and we had planned weeks before for both of our daughters, her reason being that she wasn't feeling well. It almost felt like the playdate was cancelled because she didn't like me standing up for myself. This was just last weekend. Fast forward to yesterday, I spoke to one of the teachers at school drop off who had a very different version of the story to what this woman had been telling me. As it turns out, her dd, mine and child X are all pretty good friends and play together all the time. This whole time for a few months, this woman had been insisting to me that her child had nothing to do with child X, and it was my child and child X who were excluding her's. I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out, after all the stress her pushy and persistent texts had caused me, including a few snarky comments about my dd. I told her that she had been insisting this whole time that my daughter's friendship with child X was excluding her dd. I told her that her dd isn't staying away from child X, in fact all 3 of them are quite good friends. I then added "in future it would be a good idea to speak to the school first and get both sides of the story, instead of going to another parent and criticising their child just based on one side of the story." I was so irritated by some of her snarky comments based on what her daughter had been telling her, which wasn't the same as what my daughter had told me, or even what school told me, and I wanted to stand up for myself. Anyway this woman did not acknowledge that she'd upset me, and instead replied with "why are you telling me this? How massively random of you. I haven't got a problem with the kids friendships and that's why I have no need to go to the school for anything. And if I did have concerns, I would go to the school, unless you've slagged me off to the school? If the school have a problem with me, they can tell me, you don't tell me, I am very confused about why you've told me this. I've been telling you for ages that if I do have any concerns, I'd go to the school." She then blocked me.
If you have been patient enough to read my story to the end, I really appreciate it. I feel like my head has been messed with big time, is this gaslighting, changing and twisting facts, mind games? She completely denied that she was the one that had initiated all this moany text messages complaining about the kids friendship issues, and when I told her the other side of the story this is how she twists the whole thing to make it my problem. I feel like my brain has just been spun through the washing machine.

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:19

@BiscoffAnythingIsTheWayForward thank you so much for your supportive and kind reply. I just felt like I had to set the record straight by telling her the school's side of the story, I felt like she had really overstepped it with the excessive texting and not backing off in spite of me telling her that I didn't want to get involved and her messages were stressing me out.
It wasn't about one upping her like some posters have suggested. Thank you for validating me about feeling like I'd been gaslit. xx

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Ginandrosemary · 10/06/2023 20:19

I wasted five mins reading this. You know you were unreasonable to text her after you'd left things. You had taken the high road but then you took the low one.

Flakey99 · 10/06/2023 20:20

You sound as bad as her by texting her to tell her she was totally wrong about the girls’ friendship. What does it matter?

From the unnecessarily long post, I can only assume that you enjoy the drama of it all. 😳

midsomermurderess · 10/06/2023 20:23

Keeva2017 · 10/06/2023 19:14

For the love of god woman I lost the will to live less than half way down. Learn the art of being concise!

A long lost art, going by so many threads on here. Asked to produce an executive summary, your average Mumsnetter will write War and Peace.

Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:25

@IhearyouClemFandango thank you for reading and for your kind reply. Yes I really felt like she completely messed with my head, denying it all then putting a spin on it like she'd been the reasonable one all along. x

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YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 10/06/2023 20:26

TLDR - ‘kids friends mum is manipulative and tries to orchestrate kids friendship. Lies. Got found out. Had <blank face> when confronted’. Should OP maintain friendship for sake of kids?

She’s batshit.

She now knows you know she’s batshit (hence the backtracking).

You can rest easy that she won’t be in contact again.

Job done.

Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:27

@queenMab99 thank you so much for reading and for validating me. I think that was my mistake from the get go, getting too involved and constantly responding to messages. x

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:32

@DeLaVoomVoom this is year 4. Yes she is mental, trying to control the kids friendships, and the way she was pestering me with the daily updates. Initially I tried to be supportive, but I realised the error of my ways in that I shouldn't be trying to influence my dd to not befriend child X, and that it was her choice to decide that. I explained this to the woman and she still wouldn't back off. Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. x

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:36

@YellowAndGreenToBeSeen sorry I couldn't shorten the post without leaving out all relevant details. Thanks for your input, I agree that she is aware that I've now sussed her out, a very controlling and obsessive mother :) xx

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Bluebirds1987 · 10/06/2023 20:37

She sounds absolutely nuts. I'd keep all the messages in case you need them for anything that blows up in the future.
It also makes me a little concerned about her poor dd, it sounds like she didn't dare tell her mum she was actually friends with child x once things got better!

Leah5678 · 10/06/2023 20:38

I read it all. You're not being unreasonable. The other mum is very mentally ill potentially a danger to her child as she sounds very neurotic

Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 20:39

@RingLightLight thanks for your supportive message, her last text felt very dickish, like a complete mind game! I did not handle this the right way to begin with, so this is definitely a lesson learnt for me. X

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fatmoodycow · 10/06/2023 20:40

Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 18:36

Hi everyone, long story here. DD is 9 years old and autistic, and so is her best-friend. I've always had a cordial relationship with the mum of the best-friend, though I have found that she can be pushy and persistent when she wants information off me. Anyway, just recently I found that this woman's texting became excessive because she felt that her dd was being bullied by another friend of both of our kids, lets call her child X. This woman kept insisting that my dd playing with child X meant that her child was feeling excluded. And any time she felt left out, she would go home and complain to mum, and this woman would be onto texting me about it. Just for a bit more background, both this woman's daughter and my daughter have had a difficult on again off again friendship with child X. In the past she has been aggressive and has lashed out and hit both of our kids. This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X. But I found that in spite of telling my dd not to play with child X, she maintained the friendship, and things actually improved. My dd did not want to admit to me that she'd carried on being friends with child X. I was however getting regular updates from this woman that my dd and child X were good friends and child X was constantly preventing the friendship between her daughter and mine. This woman had a real dislike for child X and was always adamant that her daughter was not to go around this child. Over the last 2 months, she started texting me nearly every other day with complaints about child X separating and getting in the way of her dd's friendship with my dd. She would say stuff like "My dd wanted to play with yours today, but child X took her away. Poor girls for being separated like that" Or "just to let you know my dd has told me that your dd is still playing with child X, today they were partners in Science. I don't know how much you want your dd around child X, but for me and my dd, if we don't like someone that's it, we don't go around them. Its not talking to them one day, and then ignoring them the next." Or "child X is using really sly tactics to keep our kids away from each other. My dd told me when someone asked your dd who is their best friend, child X whispered in your dd's ear pick me, and she picked her. Its this sort of shit that my dd doesn't need from child X." I don't why I put up with these texts for so long, but they were really starting to irritate the life out of me. They were just petty and silly childish things. I told this woman this was normal for kids at their age, but she kept insisting that there was an element of bullying present. This woman was also calling child X "a little shit" and was very insistent that her dd was being left out and excluded because child X was stopping the friendship between my dd and her's. I asked this woman what she wanted me to do about this, and she just kept on and on about how her dd was suffering due to exclusion and bullying from child X. As always there are 2 sides to a story, and when I probed my dd further about this, I was told that not only was child X friendly with my dd, but this woman's dd and child X were also friendly and were playing with each other. When I told this woman, she just denied it all and kept saying "no that's not what I've been told. My dd hates child X and stays away from her, it makes no sense for my dd to go back for more. " In the end I told this woman that I didn't want to get involved in the kids friendship and was going to let my dd make her own decisions about who to be friends with. This woman did not back off, and carried on with the messaging. I got another message saying "I know you said you don't want to get involved, but I'm just letting you know that child X is taking advantage of your dd. And if you say your dd is being diplomatic, child x is using that against her. " These persistent messages were really starting to stress me out, and I was trying my best to keep things polite. I was getting 3 or 4 whatsapp messages in a row, and if I didn't respond, she would send another 2 or 3 more the next day. This woman could see that we were not on the same page, and my approach was different to her's. Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance." She was also saying stuff like "child X is going to stop giving my dd any shit, I'll make sure of it!" When I reiterated to this woman again that I don't want to get involved, she made it out like she was actually trying to help me by warning me about what child X is like. She also said I should be grateful that her dd tells her these things, saying "I doubt you'd know any of this if my dd wasn't telling me. As you told me before, your dd doesn't talk to you much at home." This comment really irritated me, because my dd used to have a speech delay and is still on the quiet side and doesn't talk much at home. But she can speak enough to tell me when something is bothering her. This woman proceeded to tell me that in the beginning I was supportive but now I am the complete opposite because I wasn't stopping my dd from playing with child X. I was also becoming uncomfortable with the few times the woman had referred to child x as "a little shit", I don't why I didn't call her out on this. Anyway after weeks of these persistent texts which were based on her child's version of the story, I told this woman for the third time that I didn't want to get involved and that if she had any concerns, it's best she spoke to the school. I also told her I didn't want her giving me anymore updates about what my dd has been doing at school, and would rather hear this from my dd or the teacher. This woman then said she was done and not going into this anymore, then suddenly decided to cancel a playdate that she herself had initiated and we had planned weeks before for both of our daughters, her reason being that she wasn't feeling well. It almost felt like the playdate was cancelled because she didn't like me standing up for myself. This was just last weekend. Fast forward to yesterday, I spoke to one of the teachers at school drop off who had a very different version of the story to what this woman had been telling me. As it turns out, her dd, mine and child X are all pretty good friends and play together all the time. This whole time for a few months, this woman had been insisting to me that her child had nothing to do with child X, and it was my child and child X who were excluding her's. I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out, after all the stress her pushy and persistent texts had caused me, including a few snarky comments about my dd. I told her that she had been insisting this whole time that my daughter's friendship with child X was excluding her dd. I told her that her dd isn't staying away from child X, in fact all 3 of them are quite good friends. I then added "in future it would be a good idea to speak to the school first and get both sides of the story, instead of going to another parent and criticising their child just based on one side of the story." I was so irritated by some of her snarky comments based on what her daughter had been telling her, which wasn't the same as what my daughter had told me, or even what school told me, and I wanted to stand up for myself. Anyway this woman did not acknowledge that she'd upset me, and instead replied with "why are you telling me this? How massively random of you. I haven't got a problem with the kids friendships and that's why I have no need to go to the school for anything. And if I did have concerns, I would go to the school, unless you've slagged me off to the school? If the school have a problem with me, they can tell me, you don't tell me, I am very confused about why you've told me this. I've been telling you for ages that if I do have any concerns, I'd go to the school." She then blocked me.
If you have been patient enough to read my story to the end, I really appreciate it. I feel like my head has been messed with big time, is this gaslighting, changing and twisting facts, mind games? She completely denied that she was the one that had initiated all this moany text messages complaining about the kids friendship issues, and when I told her the other side of the story this is how she twists the whole thing to make it my problem. I feel like my brain has just been spun through the washing machine.

i read it all and you are not being unreasonable!! the mother of your dd's friend is messing with your head. thank god you didnt let her get away with it.

Throwncrumbs · 10/06/2023 20:42

You both sound awful to be honest , telling kids who they can and can’t play with…two adult bullies in fact!

Ihaveshitfriends · 10/06/2023 20:46

Personally I’d take getting blocked as a win and enjoy the silence. She’ll find a new target soon enough.

itsgettingweird · 10/06/2023 20:48

She was absolutely unreasonable with all the text bombardments.

However - you made it very clear you weren't interested in the texts and getting involved. You eventually - later than you felt you should have - told her this.

So why the bloody hell as I expect a fully grown adult did you need the need to send the "ha - I was right and I told you so" text. That was utterly unnecessary and immature.

You should have left it as no longer up for discussion when you told her it was no longer up for discussion.

She's obsessive and over involved.

But you're just a weird shit stirrer who needed to prove you were right.

You're probably both better to leave the friendship stuff to your 9yo who seem much more mature about handling them!

JandalsAlways · 10/06/2023 20:50

Keeva2017 · 10/06/2023 19:14

For the love of god woman I lost the will to live less than half way down. Learn the art of being concise!

This! Amd paragraphs!

Bananagirl23 · 10/06/2023 20:53

Hopefully she’s learned a lesson about leaving these things for the school to handle in future

ThePoint678 · 10/06/2023 20:55

You were both nasty to bitch about this other child. You were both trying to control your children’s friendships. You only stopped when you realised your daughter wasn’t listening to your instructions and was still playing with the other child. Then you get annoyed because she continues to moan about the other child.

Seems like it turns out your daughter is a better judge of character and of the situation, than you, so she continued the friendship.

Hot tip - if you have a legitimate concern about your child, take it up with the school.

And you are asking people’s opinions, so I’m sorry I’m not “being kind and supportive” but you asked.

Fannieannie63 · 10/06/2023 20:58

She definitely gaslit you and I would ensure I keep all her messages to prove what she wrote. Also if d keep away from her.

BreatheAndFocus · 10/06/2023 21:03

YADBU for not using paragraphs. I honestly couldn’t read all that wall of text.

dawngreen · 10/06/2023 21:04

Avoid her

Dancingcandlesticks · 10/06/2023 21:05

I wonder if she is also autistic and struggling to understand the social cues. Regardless it sounds like her blocking you is probably a positive thing!

MrsSucculent · 10/06/2023 21:07

Paragraphs wouldn’t hurt OP. I’m sorry I couldn’t read it all. I got lost with the he said she said.

VivX · 10/06/2023 21:08

I read it all (paragraph spacing would have been helpful, btw). I agree you were right to not intervene with the friendships. However, you should have put an end to all the texting way before you did and it was a mistake to have sent her that last text but you probably know this now.

Anyway, as she's blocked you, I'd say that's a result and just let it all go.