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Has the mother of dd's best friend just gaslighted me??

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Mars2020 · 10/06/2023 18:36

Hi everyone, long story here. DD is 9 years old and autistic, and so is her best-friend. I've always had a cordial relationship with the mum of the best-friend, though I have found that she can be pushy and persistent when she wants information off me. Anyway, just recently I found that this woman's texting became excessive because she felt that her dd was being bullied by another friend of both of our kids, lets call her child X. This woman kept insisting that my dd playing with child X meant that her child was feeling excluded. And any time she felt left out, she would go home and complain to mum, and this woman would be onto texting me about it. Just for a bit more background, both this woman's daughter and my daughter have had a difficult on again off again friendship with child X. In the past she has been aggressive and has lashed out and hit both of our kids. This woman and I both shared our concerns about our kids friendship with this other child, and how it would be best if our kids didn't play with this other child due to a few incidents of hitting, punching and pushing. The class teacher was involved and confirmed that child x did hit our kids. Fast forward a few months, the school have organised alternative play for this other child so that she doesn't come out onto the yard during some break times. Initially this woman and I shared our concerns about how child X was having a negative effect on our kids, due to her volatile nature at times (the hitting). Initially I did agree with this woman that I didn't want my dd being friends with child X. But I found that in spite of telling my dd not to play with child X, she maintained the friendship, and things actually improved. My dd did not want to admit to me that she'd carried on being friends with child X. I was however getting regular updates from this woman that my dd and child X were good friends and child X was constantly preventing the friendship between her daughter and mine. This woman had a real dislike for child X and was always adamant that her daughter was not to go around this child. Over the last 2 months, she started texting me nearly every other day with complaints about child X separating and getting in the way of her dd's friendship with my dd. She would say stuff like "My dd wanted to play with yours today, but child X took her away. Poor girls for being separated like that" Or "just to let you know my dd has told me that your dd is still playing with child X, today they were partners in Science. I don't know how much you want your dd around child X, but for me and my dd, if we don't like someone that's it, we don't go around them. Its not talking to them one day, and then ignoring them the next." Or "child X is using really sly tactics to keep our kids away from each other. My dd told me when someone asked your dd who is their best friend, child X whispered in your dd's ear pick me, and she picked her. Its this sort of shit that my dd doesn't need from child X." I don't why I put up with these texts for so long, but they were really starting to irritate the life out of me. They were just petty and silly childish things. I told this woman this was normal for kids at their age, but she kept insisting that there was an element of bullying present. This woman was also calling child X "a little shit" and was very insistent that her dd was being left out and excluded because child X was stopping the friendship between my dd and her's. I asked this woman what she wanted me to do about this, and she just kept on and on about how her dd was suffering due to exclusion and bullying from child X. As always there are 2 sides to a story, and when I probed my dd further about this, I was told that not only was child X friendly with my dd, but this woman's dd and child X were also friendly and were playing with each other. When I told this woman, she just denied it all and kept saying "no that's not what I've been told. My dd hates child X and stays away from her, it makes no sense for my dd to go back for more. " In the end I told this woman that I didn't want to get involved in the kids friendship and was going to let my dd make her own decisions about who to be friends with. This woman did not back off, and carried on with the messaging. I got another message saying "I know you said you don't want to get involved, but I'm just letting you know that child X is taking advantage of your dd. And if you say your dd is being diplomatic, child x is using that against her. " These persistent messages were really starting to stress me out, and I was trying my best to keep things polite. I was getting 3 or 4 whatsapp messages in a row, and if I didn't respond, she would send another 2 or 3 more the next day. This woman could see that we were not on the same page, and my approach was different to her's. Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance." She was also saying stuff like "child X is going to stop giving my dd any shit, I'll make sure of it!" When I reiterated to this woman again that I don't want to get involved, she made it out like she was actually trying to help me by warning me about what child X is like. She also said I should be grateful that her dd tells her these things, saying "I doubt you'd know any of this if my dd wasn't telling me. As you told me before, your dd doesn't talk to you much at home." This comment really irritated me, because my dd used to have a speech delay and is still on the quiet side and doesn't talk much at home. But she can speak enough to tell me when something is bothering her. This woman proceeded to tell me that in the beginning I was supportive but now I am the complete opposite because I wasn't stopping my dd from playing with child X. I was also becoming uncomfortable with the few times the woman had referred to child x as "a little shit", I don't why I didn't call her out on this. Anyway after weeks of these persistent texts which were based on her child's version of the story, I told this woman for the third time that I didn't want to get involved and that if she had any concerns, it's best she spoke to the school. I also told her I didn't want her giving me anymore updates about what my dd has been doing at school, and would rather hear this from my dd or the teacher. This woman then said she was done and not going into this anymore, then suddenly decided to cancel a playdate that she herself had initiated and we had planned weeks before for both of our daughters, her reason being that she wasn't feeling well. It almost felt like the playdate was cancelled because she didn't like me standing up for myself. This was just last weekend. Fast forward to yesterday, I spoke to one of the teachers at school drop off who had a very different version of the story to what this woman had been telling me. As it turns out, her dd, mine and child X are all pretty good friends and play together all the time. This whole time for a few months, this woman had been insisting to me that her child had nothing to do with child X, and it was my child and child X who were excluding her's. I couldn't resist the urge to message this woman and tell her the truth of what I'd found out, after all the stress her pushy and persistent texts had caused me, including a few snarky comments about my dd. I told her that she had been insisting this whole time that my daughter's friendship with child X was excluding her dd. I told her that her dd isn't staying away from child X, in fact all 3 of them are quite good friends. I then added "in future it would be a good idea to speak to the school first and get both sides of the story, instead of going to another parent and criticising their child just based on one side of the story." I was so irritated by some of her snarky comments based on what her daughter had been telling her, which wasn't the same as what my daughter had told me, or even what school told me, and I wanted to stand up for myself. Anyway this woman did not acknowledge that she'd upset me, and instead replied with "why are you telling me this? How massively random of you. I haven't got a problem with the kids friendships and that's why I have no need to go to the school for anything. And if I did have concerns, I would go to the school, unless you've slagged me off to the school? If the school have a problem with me, they can tell me, you don't tell me, I am very confused about why you've told me this. I've been telling you for ages that if I do have any concerns, I'd go to the school." She then blocked me.
If you have been patient enough to read my story to the end, I really appreciate it. I feel like my head has been messed with big time, is this gaslighting, changing and twisting facts, mind games? She completely denied that she was the one that had initiated all this moany text messages complaining about the kids friendship issues, and when I told her the other side of the story this is how she twists the whole thing to make it my problem. I feel like my brain has just been spun through the washing machine.

OP posts:
Teddypops · 10/06/2023 19:06

I can't read all that I'm sorry!

Teddypops · 10/06/2023 19:07

Can you summarise?

user1471447924 · 10/06/2023 19:09

TL;DR

Rollinghill · 10/06/2023 19:10

Sorry that's way too long to read. YABU for that. Summarise?

SomeonTookMyAnonymousUserName · 10/06/2023 19:10

My goodness, that was long. I did read it though, expecting a climax of some sort.

Although you don't like the way she went about it (she sounds crazy), you've got what you want now, no?

Just move on

TheSnowyOwl · 10/06/2023 19:11

From what I can gather, and I only skim read the end, you need to have firm boundaries in place. This woman isn’t your friend and you don’t owe her anything. Your children are almost or an age to arrange any play dates between them with no need for parental involvement anyway.

Just say to her that you can’t deal with anymore messages and if she has any concerns it needs to go through the school, then just ignore and ignore and ignore.

Given the genetic link, I would question the possibility that she is also autistic and has possibly fixated on this but that’s not your problem although it could answer your question.it doesn’t change what you need to do though.

ichifanny · 10/06/2023 19:13

You did the right thing I hate people trying to orchestrate their kids friendships , it never ends well , I’d leave it at that you don’t want to interfere who your daughter is friends with . To be honest she sounds trouble , chances are she will start on your daughter next so don’t be surprised when she does .

Nevermind31 · 10/06/2023 19:14

Woman kept complaining about child, you asked her to stop, she stopped, you texted her. The end

Keeva2017 · 10/06/2023 19:14

For the love of god woman I lost the will to live less than half way down. Learn the art of being concise!

Opaque11 · 10/06/2023 19:14

Keeva2017 · 10/06/2023 19:14

For the love of god woman I lost the will to live less than half way down. Learn the art of being concise!

This!

Bogggle · 10/06/2023 19:15

I don’t know who’s being unreasonable because I gave up about 1/4 of the way through!

BreviloquentBastard · 10/06/2023 19:17

It was foolish of you to message her after she'd stopped talking about it. What was the point, were you that desperate to get the last word in?

Would have been better to do what you repeatedly said you wanted to do and not get involved.

WarmButteryCrumpets · 10/06/2023 19:17

I read it all... she's bonkers. Block, move on, don't waste any more time thinking about her.

Alwayswonderedwhy · 10/06/2023 19:18

Too long and difficult to read. Where's the paragraphs?

IhearyouClemFandango · 10/06/2023 19:19

It wasn't that long 🙄

Yanbu OP. She sounds nuts and very unpleasant. If she hadn't blocked you I'd have been tempted to screenshot some of her messages back to her.

Lou670 · 10/06/2023 19:22

@SomeonTookMyAnonymousUserName My goodness, that was long. I did read it though, expecting a climax of some sort. Me too! 😂😂😂

Tamuchly · 10/06/2023 19:22

WarmButteryCrumpets · 10/06/2023 19:17

I read it all... she's bonkers. Block, move on, don't waste any more time thinking about her.

This…totally!

My husband and I have both had a problem with our dd’s friend’s mother that is very similar to this. I now ignore her drama and we are all happier for it - especially the two little girls who are able to play with whoever they want at school without worrying about accidentally excluding anyone!

queenMab99 · 10/06/2023 19:22

I read it all, yes she is gaslighting you, steer clear of her and ignore any further messages, don't respond at all. She is manipulative.

Daleksatemyshed · 10/06/2023 19:24

She's obviously worried about her DD making friends and not being bullied but she's going about this the wrong way. She wants your DD and hers to be best friends and doesn't want the other girl involved but that's up to the DC, if they're happy then let them get on with it.

DeLaVoomVoom · 10/06/2023 19:25

Her approach is very over involved to the point that she was trying to control her daughter's friendships. As she said herself "if my dd needs me to sort anything on her behalf, I will. She still needs my guidance."

The woman sounds like a nutter, scary, her poor dd will get issues with such an overbearing angry 'victim' mum.

@Mars2020 is this year 4 or 5? I'd stop all contact with her and not facilitate playdates as that would mean having to text her or speak with her. What's the mum of child x like?

The mum of your dd's friend is obsessed bordering stalkerish. I'd avoid.

SamphireSandwich · 10/06/2023 19:25

Opaque11 · 10/06/2023 19:14

This!

Agreed!

RingLightLight · 10/06/2023 19:26

I read it to the end.

As others have said, she sounds bonkers and unpleasant.

Sounds like in her last message she’s just being a dick as punishment for you a) asking her to stop texting and b) sending a snarky text. She’s just trying to wind you up.

I’d just ignore and forget about her at this point. In a week or two it’ll seem a lot less important.

booksahoy · 10/06/2023 19:30

I read to the end - sounds very stressful! Yes, you've been gaslit. She sounds unhinged - keep her at arm's length wherever possible. We have a similar parent at school and the issues just get exponentially worse as they transition into secondary school. Keep a safe distance!

Also, to the PP who suggested autism - maybe the woman is just aggressive and inappropriate? Must all bad behaviour be due to autism?! 😠

TheHandbag · 10/06/2023 19:31

Sorry I can't read all that without paragraph breaks in, it hurts my eyes and I struggle to understand it all.

Seashor · 10/06/2023 19:32

Poor teacher trying to deal with you three parents! Ridiculous post. Busy yourselves with a job and allow your children to sort out their own friendship groups.
Let the school deal with any behaviour.