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AIBU to think this is absolutely disgusting and unecessary.

548 replies

Gettingbysomehow · 07/06/2023 12:50

So this happened a few miles away from where I live.
Call me old fashioned but I think this is totally inappropriate and somebody should have called the police.
I have been a naturist for 40 years but the old fashioned kind who doesn't think dangling your genitals in front of families and young children who have gone for a meal is at all appropriate.
I would question why they found the need to do this. There are plenty of naturist clubs in the area.
People go to naturist clubs to get an all over tan and be a member of an organisation that usually has a pool and cheap membership.
My non naturist friends think I'm being stuffy and ridiculous am I?
Diners shocked as naked pair enjoy meal in Burnham-On-Sea pub

Diners shocked as naked pair enjoy meal in Burnham-On-Sea pub

Diners at a Burnham-On-Sea pub say they were shocked after a naked man and woman walked into the bar and were served a meal.

https://www.burnham-on-sea.com/news/diners-shocked-as-naked-pair-enjoy-meal-in-burnham-on-sea-pub/

OP posts:
Gtsr443 · 07/06/2023 15:38

Did the chair leave an imprint on their arses when they stood up?
Where did they put their phones and bank cards?

uncomfortablydumb53 · 07/06/2023 15:38

Its exhibitionist and unnecessary and inclusivity doesn't mean an option to be clothed or not
It wasn't too long ago that topless men weren't allowed in pubs/ clubs etc due to public decency
If I was the landlord I wouldn't have served them food for health and safety reasons

JoanThursday1972 · 07/06/2023 15:39

Gtsr443 · 07/06/2023 15:38

Did the chair leave an imprint on their arses when they stood up?
Where did they put their phones and bank cards?

I sat on a leather seat the other day, with bare legs and a skirt that wasn't a mini but was above my knee. When I got up it felt as if it had ripped the skin from the back of my legs (it's my own chair at work). I would hate to think what their arses felt like.

theDudesmummy · 07/06/2023 15:41

@Brefugee no, it's Croatia. Naturism is pretty mainstream there too.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/06/2023 15:42

TheGreatATuin · 07/06/2023 15:12

I don't much care what naturists do. They can air their bits as much as they like, as long as its somewhere that such things are expected. It's when it comes to overriding other people's consent that it becomes a problem.
No one in that pub consented to seeing their genitals. That was just imposed on everyone, adults and children.
If it would be inappropriate for that man to send a picture of his penis to a strange woman or child, it's inappropriate to show it to them in person too.
Maybe their intent was to be 'naturists' but unless they are incredibly stupid, they'll know there will be people in that pub who wouldn't want to see them naked if asked if it was okay. They're deliberately and knowingly overriding boundaries and that is very very wrong.

This.

Nanaof1 · 07/06/2023 15:43

ArabeIIaScott · 07/06/2023 14:38

Presumably they didn't make the booking for 'Nigel, with his cock hanging out', though?

Since the pub "researched" naturist, I am guessing the couple made it known they were naturists when they booked a reservation.
If I hadn't paid for my food, I would have left.
I wouldn't go to a naturist beach, bar or restaurant because it doesn't interest me and I wouldn't want it brought to me without my okay.

StaySpicy · 07/06/2023 15:44

So 'cyberflashing' is considered a no-no, yet forcing your naked body into the view of a whole load of people is "inclusivity" and a person's "right"? Both are unsolicited views of nakedness.

I don't want to have to be forced to vote someone else's nakedness when it's least expected. That's not being inclusive to me. Where are my rights in this?

ArabeIIaScott · 07/06/2023 15:44

Nanaof1 · 07/06/2023 15:43

Since the pub "researched" naturist, I am guessing the couple made it known they were naturists when they booked a reservation.
If I hadn't paid for my food, I would have left.
I wouldn't go to a naturist beach, bar or restaurant because it doesn't interest me and I wouldn't want it brought to me without my okay.

Ah, I see. Missed that bit. In that case the pub is complicit in this deliberate exhibitionism. No good.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/06/2023 15:45

sadlittlelifejane · 07/06/2023 13:51

It doesn't really bother me. It's a naked body. We all have one. Where do we draw the line on where we should cover up? Some would find a mini skirt offensive. You wouldn't call the police on them..

I think it's probably safe to say that other than in a changing room one should keep one's genitals covered.

A line most normal people would draw I think? Grin

LauraNicolaides · 07/06/2023 15:45

Gettingbysomehow · 07/06/2023 12:50

So this happened a few miles away from where I live.
Call me old fashioned but I think this is totally inappropriate and somebody should have called the police.
I have been a naturist for 40 years but the old fashioned kind who doesn't think dangling your genitals in front of families and young children who have gone for a meal is at all appropriate.
I would question why they found the need to do this. There are plenty of naturist clubs in the area.
People go to naturist clubs to get an all over tan and be a member of an organisation that usually has a pool and cheap membership.
My non naturist friends think I'm being stuffy and ridiculous am I?
Diners shocked as naked pair enjoy meal in Burnham-On-Sea pub

It really would not bother me at all.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/06/2023 15:46

BeachBlondey · 07/06/2023 13:57

If a fully clothed man in the pub had his flies open and his penis hanging out, he would be thrown out or arrested, despite showing less flesh. How can that be right?

Precisely

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/06/2023 15:47

It's a fetish. It's indecent exposure. The fact that children were present makes it even more unacceptable.

SavvyWavvy · 07/06/2023 15:47

SmartHome · 07/06/2023 13:03

I really couldnt care about the visibility/fetsh side of it and my kids would just laugh at them. I think it's really unhygenic to sit in public places that other people have to share without pants on though. It's also really silly an impractical as a PP said - if you drop a hot chip down your front it's going to hurt a lot more.

Agreed. I think it’s revolting to have to sit on a seat that someone’s arsehole has been on. I feel the same way about dogs sitting on chairs.

Gtsr443 · 07/06/2023 15:49

JoanThursday1972 · 07/06/2023 15:39

I sat on a leather seat the other day, with bare legs and a skirt that wasn't a mini but was above my knee. When I got up it felt as if it had ripped the skin from the back of my legs (it's my own chair at work). I would hate to think what their arses felt like.

Yes agony! School flashback - thighs sticking to plastic chairs. Now imagine scrotums.

onnonotagaindear · 07/06/2023 15:50

It is showing a distinct lack of care for other people's circumstances or pasts. I know women and a child who due to trauma would be horrifically impacted by seeing a naked man in a setting where it was unexpected and they weren't able to mentally prepare

This.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/06/2023 15:51

Letitrow · 07/06/2023 15:21

Right? It's the slow erosion of what's considered normal that I find quite scary. There are places, groups, events, their own homes and private land where people who wish to not be confined to clothes can do so and without judgement, it doesn't mean each and every space should be a free for all. Why should the wants of some override others? If people don't mind then great, but however much faux naieveity is thrown around plenty of people are uncomfortable with it.

Yep!

We are normalising perversion in the everyday.

I hasten to add, I don't consider naturism per se to be a perversion, but I do consider imposing your naked body on people who have not consented to it to be a perversion.

The people saying "It's just a naked body - what's wrong with that?" are being disingenuous. It is an offence to public decency and an imposition on other people, as well as being unhygienic - I can't believe that this is in accord with food safety standards. They are walking past other people's tables with exposed genitalia - and skin flakes/ invisible faecal matter, pubic hair etc can float towards other people and their meals.

It's just a nasty, exhibitionistic thing to do. The pub should also offer everyone their money back if they preferred to leave - customers presumably didn't expect this sort of thing when they sat down for what they expected to be a pleasant lunch.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/06/2023 15:53

onnonotagaindear · 07/06/2023 15:50

It is showing a distinct lack of care for other people's circumstances or pasts. I know women and a child who due to trauma would be horrifically impacted by seeing a naked man in a setting where it was unexpected and they weren't able to mentally prepare

This.

Yes

So many posters seem to be unable to grasp this.

And can anyone explain why this would be different to the example given up thread of a man sitting in a pub fully dressed but with his penis hanging out?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/06/2023 15:55

Interesting though that if I was to say, go on Twitter and state biological facts I could likely get a visit from my local constabulary to address my wrong think but sitting in a pub surrounded by young children with my Fanny hanging out and my DH penis lolling around would be eh ok?

Mad times, folks Confused

HoldingTheDoor · 07/06/2023 15:59

@Letitrow You're right. That's exactly what's going on. There's a definite push to erode safeguarding and to try to break people's boundaries, particularly women's and children's.

Lockheart · 07/06/2023 16:00

The idea of consent doesn't apply here, because being in a public place nude is not illegal. Consent or otherwise is irrelevant. There are lots of things we might not want to see when out and about in the wide world (and certainly I wouldn't want to see naked people when eating either) but that doesn't mean the other person is committing an offence.

It's a false equivalence to compare it with unsolicited dick pics, which is sending a picture with sexual intent to cause distress directly to a specific individual being targeted.

The offence of indecent exposure (i.e flashing) also hinges on intent to cause alarm or distress. Simply being naked in public and going about your business does not in and of itself meet this definition.

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terryleather · 07/06/2023 16:03

ArabeIIaScott · 07/06/2023 14:34

It's exhibitionism and/or fetishism.

YANBU, OP.

Absolutely.

They're getting off on pushing boundaries and on the fact that the rest of the customers have not consented to this.

This is what happens when "whole selves" are to be celebrated no matter what, and "inclusivity" itself is fetishised.

And it mostly seems to benefit men at the expense of women and children...funny that...

StaySpicy · 07/06/2023 16:04

I don't know it can be determined what their intent was. Of course they would say that they didn't intend to cause any distress, but it can't be proven.

I still think it's unsolicited nudity which the perpetrators are inflicting on potentially unwilling members of the public. Those people had no choice, no warning, no right to a refund if they didn't want to see it. I think that's wrong. Their feelings in the matter don't count, apparently.

Twdfn123 · 07/06/2023 16:08

I live here, found it funny

Famzonhol · 07/06/2023 16:09

Lockheart · 07/06/2023 16:00

The idea of consent doesn't apply here, because being in a public place nude is not illegal. Consent or otherwise is irrelevant. There are lots of things we might not want to see when out and about in the wide world (and certainly I wouldn't want to see naked people when eating either) but that doesn't mean the other person is committing an offence.

It's a false equivalence to compare it with unsolicited dick pics, which is sending a picture with sexual intent to cause distress directly to a specific individual being targeted.

The offence of indecent exposure (i.e flashing) also hinges on intent to cause alarm or distress. Simply being naked in public and going about your business does not in and of itself meet this definition.

Lots of things aren’t illegal.
Swearing in front of children isn’t illegal. Picking your nose in public - not illegal. Burping and farting loudly and odorously in an enclosed public space is not illegal. Cutting your toenails or picking wax out of your ear in a restaurant is not illegal as far as I know.