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White woman In a headscarf, would you stare?

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 12:12

And conservative/ ‘modest’ clothing. Would you stare? Would you look twice?

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Sallyh87 · 05/06/2023 13:34

Would I stare, absolutely not, but I suppose if you see something unusual which a white women wearing a hijab would be I might be guilty of taking a second look. More of a subconscious reaction, I wouldn’t feel there is anything wrong with it. I think sometimes people stare and it doesn’t necessarily mean they are judging or even passing thought on it.

Very annoying for you though! Try to be a bigger person and ignore 😊

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 13:34

Zee1345 · 05/06/2023 13:32

I'm a white woman who wears a hijab, I reverted to Islam a few years before I met my husband who is Muslim, I started wearing my headscarf and an abaya a few years before meeting my husband too at the time of becoming Muslim.
At the time before I got married I lived in an area where their wasn't Muslims, just a few on occasion so yes when I started wearing it at first I felt really uncomfortable, had people staring and laughing at me even especially as I was wearing abaya too and making comments behind me in shops etc, it made me uncomfortable and upset and first but I didn't let it stop me and I eventually got used to it and stopped caring what other people thought.
When I got married I moved to Birmingham to live with my husband so obviously a bit different as their is so many women who wear headscarfs here and who cover so people don't stare or notice me here, alot of people can't even guess I'm white or a reverted Muslim now. Now when I go back to the place I used to live before I was married, there is a lot more women walking around in headscarfs now so it's not really shocking for them anymore so they don't tend to stare at much.

I understand myself as I've been their 10 years ago when I started wearing it, you do feel uncomfortable at first and feel as if everyone is staring and looking at you ( I'm not going to lie some people do stare and make comments) but you will eventually get over that feeling and stop caring if people are staring or not anyway.

Do people ask you intrusive questions? How do you deal with that? It really bugs me

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SweetBirdsong · 05/06/2023 13:36
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YourFault · 05/06/2023 13:36

Mind your own business you absolute trample

YourFault · 05/06/2023 13:36

*tramp

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 05/06/2023 13:37

I must admit I might do a double take, simply because for me it's very unusual to see a white woman in a hijab. I do live in rural Denmark though - tbh it's pretty rare to see anyone in a hijab.

Bunbuns3 · 05/06/2023 13:38

Well I was caught out in the rain once and decided to cover my head with my scarf. I got a lot of rude comments, people assuming I was a convert

Comedycook · 05/06/2023 13:38

I wouldn't stare but I'd probably notice and assume you had married a Muslim man and converted.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 05/06/2023 13:38

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KittenKong · 05/06/2023 13:39

I quite often wrap a scarf around my head when it’s wet and windy as I hate umbrellas. But then I’m in central London and nothing is ‘the usual’ here.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 13:39

YourFault · 05/06/2023 13:36

Mind your own business you absolute trample

Thanks

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IanFromAccounting · 05/06/2023 13:42

No, that’s rude.

I would be intrigued as it’s less common and I’d be interested to know what her story is. But that’s just human nature.

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 05/06/2023 13:42

YourFault · 05/06/2023 13:36

Mind your own business you absolute trample

Who are you talking to?

GeriKellmansUpdo · 05/06/2023 13:44

How does one tell who is white and who is not? Many Indians and Pakistanis have green eyes and very fair skin. Aishwarya Rai, for instance.

JudgeJ · 05/06/2023 13:48

GeriKellmansUpdo · 05/06/2023 12:14

No. There are several where I live.

The late Queen always wore a headscarf, what's the preceived problem? It used to be almost a part of the uniform in the '80s!

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 13:48

GeriKellmansUpdo · 05/06/2023 13:44

How does one tell who is white and who is not? Many Indians and Pakistanis have green eyes and very fair skin. Aishwarya Rai, for instance.

In my case, it’s pretty obvious, my eyebrows and lashes are blonde and my eyes are blue and I’m a ghostly pale (to the extent I find it a struggle to find foundations, it’s awful)

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MrsSlocombesCat · 05/06/2023 13:49

I wouldn’t stare but it doesn’t do much for women’s equality does it?

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 13:50

My DD converted to Islam last October. She’s in London and wears hijab and a robe. When I’m with her even in London I do notice people do a double take which I think is because she is so obviously fair and if I’m with her I am blonde, dressed in western clothing and obviously her mother, so that draws attention. She probably goes more unnoticed when on her own though. I think, as a PP mentioned upthread, she has also embraced the full “outfit” (for want of a better word) and looks more Muslim than a lot of other Muslim women I’ve met or have known for a while who are more relaxed and might wear hijab with western clothes. My DD is quite young and I think will probably adjust things a bit over time though she is enjoying the lack of cat calling and aggressive attention from men which is a sad indictment. I do think that people staring or obviously looking is not necessarily an indication they are also judging. I know I look at people all the time without even being aware of it.

In the small town I live in I think she would be on the receiving end of more negativity as the population isn’t as diverse and there is more likely to be Daily Mail style assumptions about Muslims in particular I suspect. Which is probably why she doesn’t come home much at all and when she does she is much more self-conscious. Since she converted I have had a lot of sympathy from well meaning people as if she has died. I have found her conversion very hard, not because of Islam but because I have been concerned about the basis of the decision (whether it’s been about being drawn to Islam or about escape from something else, the latter being more concerning) but over the months she has become much happier as a person an I am basing my level of parental concern on that. I guess I’d probably look twice at you @Tooshyshyhushhushidoi because I’d be wondering what your thought process was too. Curiosity not hostility though.

OneMoreCookieMonster · 05/06/2023 13:55

My mother is a white western woman and wears a hijab when required for family events and funerals. My mom converted when she married my dad. She wasn't religious at all and still isn't but preferred to us raised with one faith but with a knowledge of many. We were left to decide for ourselves. Not one of five of us sisters wear the hijab. A couple of us even eat pork occasionally. But, will wear one if the need arises.

My mom would get stared at in the mosque or out especially if we were present as we are obviously mixed race.

She loves it. But, then again who doesn't like a bit of attention.

Testina · 05/06/2023 13:59

“she is enjoying the lack of cat calling and aggressive attention from men which is a sad indictment.”

And yet the OP has posted about unwanted attention from Muslim men when wearing her hijab.

NAMALT but lots of men are just fucking entitled arseholes, aren’t they? 🤬

FigTreeInEurope · 05/06/2023 14:00

Maybe if it was Nora batty

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 14:02

OneMoreCookieMonster · 05/06/2023 13:55

My mother is a white western woman and wears a hijab when required for family events and funerals. My mom converted when she married my dad. She wasn't religious at all and still isn't but preferred to us raised with one faith but with a knowledge of many. We were left to decide for ourselves. Not one of five of us sisters wear the hijab. A couple of us even eat pork occasionally. But, will wear one if the need arises.

My mom would get stared at in the mosque or out especially if we were present as we are obviously mixed race.

She loves it. But, then again who doesn't like a bit of attention.

Me, I don’t like it. I actually hate it, :)

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ExtraOnions · 05/06/2023 14:02

There was a documentary series on BBC2 a couple of years ago - I think it was “ascent of women” , it look at women’s role in ancient civilisations, and how there was equity to start with … then women “got the blame” when things went wrong. The first veiling laws were bright in 2000 years prior to Islam, and a way to control women - it’s well worth a watch if you can find it.

Culturally is never used to happen, but, as soon as the men need to control thier women folk … cover them up, lock them up, treat them as possessions.

katepilar · 05/06/2023 14:04

I descretly would, if it was possible. But I am not in the UK and any not-typically-local looking people are a rarity. I usually think if I was in London I wouldnt even notice.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 14:07

ExtraOnions · 05/06/2023 14:02

There was a documentary series on BBC2 a couple of years ago - I think it was “ascent of women” , it look at women’s role in ancient civilisations, and how there was equity to start with … then women “got the blame” when things went wrong. The first veiling laws were bright in 2000 years prior to Islam, and a way to control women - it’s well worth a watch if you can find it.

Culturally is never used to happen, but, as soon as the men need to control thier women folk … cover them up, lock them up, treat them as possessions.

Erm, thanks?

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