The problem with Brexit is we didn't Brexit hard enough

[Middlelanehogger]

The EU itself was just the start.

But there are still more institutions which still influence our laws and make it impossible to actually achieve "taking back control".

If anything, we've left the trading bloc (which had economic benefits) but stayed in many of the legal institutions (which retain control over us).

So which body do we leave next - the ECHR? The ECJ? Keenly awaiting responses 😘

TheHandmaiden
You have supported a deal that is goods only

Early days;
On 19 May [2023] the UK and EU Commission published the joint text of the draft memorandum of understanding (MoU) on regulatory cooperation in financial services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-eu-memorandum-of-understanding-on-financial-services-cooperation

You know that is not a deal Clav don't patronise me.

The day the EU inks a regulatory deal on services in a treaty we can both celebrate. This country will be getting rich again instead of this mess we have now.

stopping immigration (could have done that anyway), taking back control (never lost it)

The European commission has said EU member states have no right to deport EU citizens for being homeless and said EU citizens had a right to live in other EU countries “irrespective of whether they are homeless or not”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

Economically inactive EU citizens
Can you be requested to leave or be deported? You may live in the other EU country as long as you can continue to meet the conditions for residence.
If you no longer do so, the national authorities may require you to leave.
In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy or public security - but only if it can prove you represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/inactive-citizens/index_en.htm

They voted Leave despite the evidence in front of their own eyes that the Leave campaign was built on a foundation of racism - or are you going to argue that the infamous 'Breaking Point' poster showing a long line of dark complexioned men wasn't as bad as it looked?

So you haven't noticed the empty supermarket shelves a few weeks ago when no vegetables were delivered to the UK (whilst they pretty much continued to the EU) or the long queues at petrol stations because of the lack of lorry drivers? What about EU grants that used to benefit your community (cycling paths, Book Start) which have now stopped coming? Or the delay in being seen at your local hospital because EU workers went back home? Or the fact the Britain paid the highest energy prices in Europe last winter?

There was a week back in Feb when I couldn't get my favourite tomatoes and I had to make do with a different type, but the next week they was back in the shops. I wouldn't say it was empty shelves.

I have not seen long petrol queues.

EU grants - not sure about that as none around here. Wouldn't that be UK money anyway as we was 2nd largest contributor?

Not been to hospital myself but had 3 doctors appointments in the last 5 weeks. All went fine and no delays, seen doctor once and she asked me to book an ECG test with them for 10 days time which went well, then a nurse appointment after. I've got a blood test booked in 10 days time too and another doctor appointment 7 days after. I cannot knock my doctor's surgery at the moment. But not been to hospital so cant comment.

Energy prices will raise due to Ukraine. Not much we can do about that.

It's annoying paying more for my energy bill and not having my favourite tomatoes for a week in February, but is it enough to sway me to want to rejoin the EU. Not sure it is.

@Florenz what would actually have been far more democratic would have been to negotiate the leave arrangement within 2 years to what it actually meant - not just an abstract word of 'leave EU' which clearly meant different things to many who voted that way and then put it to the voters- remain or go with the negotiated 'deal' (which of course is effectively no deal at all' ) and not hold it on the day students have to get out their accommodation!! It's not just the fact the vote went that way- it was the lies and subterfuge used , the leave EU campaign leaflets through the door that looked like they came from the government, the ones in Asian areas specifically saying we would have to take more non EU immigrants (and so it has come to pass) etc, etc- many people genuinely believed the 'more money for NHS' bumph . The amount of air time Farage got to spout his nonsense because he made good entertainment.

We had Brexiteers like Daniel Hannon saying the following and people believed it

'absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market”

The vote wasn't split by constituent nations. It was a UK wide vote.

People saying being in the EU made us rich. It made some people rich. Those people voted Remain. A lot of people suffered from us being in the EU, those people voted for Leave.

Let's just wait for Trump/ DeSantis to get elected- then we can apply to be the 51st state!

YANBU OP

It's time we regained some control and stop being mandated by unaccountable international bodies full of people nobody has elected.

Same goes for ECHR, Agenda 2030, Net Zero, CBDC, 15-minute cities, etc. Who has actively given the mandate for all of these to be forced upon us?

It doesn't necessarily have to mean we will be not observe Human Rights, minimise pollution, etc.

But we should make up our own rules, that fit our own interests and circumstances.

As far as I'm aware, nobody's shunning China or the like for operating on their own terms. And why should they?

Is this thread just to show off how thick Leave voters are?

At least DeSantis has a spine, seems quite balanced and is not afraid to speak his mind.

Many politicians should take a leaf out of his book for the sake of all of us

Ah I see the Tory PR ladies are back on shift tonight- the ones who never post on anything except Tory's or Brexit!!

@khw666 interesting to know where you live that has lots of salt of the earth people and yet doesn't have much stuff funded by the EU because you can't move in some working class areas for sports centres and various other initiatives funded by the EU- most of the northern cities in particular had vast amounts of EU funding for transport, shopping centres , roads etc -- if anything it was more middle class areas that had far less EU funding.

Crikeyalmighty
We had Brexiteers like Daniel Hannon saying the following and people believed it
'absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market”

Considering that Daniel Hannan is supposed to have said that in May 2015 (more than a year before the referendum actually took place) - you should have paid more attention to the news and debates in 2016.

How much EU funding actually went to working-class people? How many working-class people work for the EU or in jobs funded by the EU?

@Florenz you are talking rubbish- a lot of very well off people voted leave- so they could continue to hide their wealth and in some cases seize distressed assets cheaply. I really don't think you can honestly believe that people like Rees Mogg and Dyson were advocating leave because they so desparately wanted to help the poor. If so, you need to get out a bit.

Fingers crossed you're posting in jest.

There are a few posts on SM and CU being the Brexit voters wanted, I’m not sure this is backed up by subsequent research but giving benefit of the doubt and polling showing people think Brexit was a mistake why are we not voting on it at next GE?

Is it politicians not picking up on what would be popular?

Maybe it is but I do think parties these days try to focus group things to the hilt

Well thanks to Brexit one of our growth industries is poverty.

Slow clap.

Anyone see the story today where Boris Johnson "negotiated" by getting drunk with the Australian chief negotiator and gave away all our beef tariffs?

That is your prince, Brexit people. A drunk who literally didn't care enough to not to keep quiet.

@Clavinova it doesn't matter when he said it- the context of his comments remains the same And also I will add in Johnson being totally in favour of EU till he sniffed an opportunity for him. I can quite assure you I paid a great deal of attention in 2015 and 2016 so Don't be so patronising. We have a business, we export and the EU is one of our biggest markets- I would have been nuts not to have followed it in great detail.

I have had crew stuck for 7 hours at Dover and Folkestone and seen carnets hundreds of pages long- so
Much for the getting rid of the red tape. You are relying on people still with the 'what did the EU ever do for me' mentality who seem to be unable to see an overall picture unless it involves their back pocket.

The only people I know who still seem very keen are those benefitting from labour shortages like brickies and plumbers- basically so they can once again rip people off .

If rejoining the EU was wanted by a great many voters, at least one of the major parties would be saying they would do it, and gaining support as a result. Only the Libdems are talking about it, even they're saying it would be something they'd do years in the future, and they are a very distant third in the polls.

interesting to know where you live that has lots of salt of the earth people and yet doesn't have much stuff funded by the EU

East mids

@mathanxiety sadly I don't think they are. Clearly the Daily express is directing people here.

Why bricklayers and plumbers ripping people off when they charge what people are prepared to pay? If you think they charge too much, lay the bricks or unblock the pipes yourself.

Has Clav not posted about Starmer’s donkey field yet ? That usually gets shoe horned in somewhere

I live in the East Mids as well. (Derbyshire) Not much EU funded stuff around here.