The problem with Brexit is we didn't Brexit hard enough

[Middlelanehogger]

The EU itself was just the start.

But there are still more institutions which still influence our laws and make it impossible to actually achieve "taking back control".

If anything, we've left the trading bloc (which had economic benefits) but stayed in many of the legal institutions (which retain control over us).

So which body do we leave next - the ECHR? The ECJ? Keenly awaiting responses 😘

There’s obviously unhappiness for many around Brexit.

Why isn’t it being used for votes?

Starmer’s donkey field

Sounds like a craft beer ....

Bah. We screwed ourselves. Threw away our advantages in terms of services to via the EU to the world and now face an uphill struggle to try and do this ourselves.

Guess what - the rest of the world doesn't really want those without the EU.

There is a difference between an objective fact and a subjective opinion.

@khw666 I too am originally from that area. Whilst you cannot say it hasn't had any - nottinghams trams etc - I do partly agree that vast swathes of EU money seemed to go to more obvious projects in the big northern cities and south wales in particular and was not always allocated very evenly. Some of the things that were done in regional areas are not always that obvious either - this for instance had £228 million of EU development funding but was targeted at housing etc

https://www.oadby-wigston.gov.uk/files/documents/dclgsustainableecommunityplan/DCLG%20Sustainable%20Communities%20Plan.pdf

This - every word of it.

A lot of people suffered from us being in the EU

A lot of people were led to believe that being in the EU was the root of all the problems when infact it wasn’t, more like.

Only 7% of people voted for reasons that were directly related to the EU.

One survey found that some people voted for Brexit because of bin collections not being regular enough.

After seeing that, it explained a lot for me.

There was a significant anti-establish vote which Vote Leave managed to tap into.

All problems could be blamed on the establishment and by extension the EU as the controlling force over our political elites.

Balanced would NOT be my word for him! I think I'd actually prefer Trump; at least he's lazier, and would spend more time playing golf and less time pursuing a vicious agenda. Not that I want either of them! Anyone in the EU is better than they are; even Orban's Hungary still has public healthcare.

Well that's interesting Florenz- I've just googled Derbyshire and East Midlands and European development fund and pages and pages of stuff. But I suspect as I've said before unless it's filling peoples back pockets then they don't always bother doing their research - and by the way I was married to a miner in my first marriage- so am well aware of particular challenges in parts of the East Midlands. It's interesting too when Tory's on here talk about poor people voting leave and rich voting remain- my friends in the East Midlands with average jobs or semi retired are far better off than me - seem to have multiple holidays every year - due to much cheaper housing- so I think it's bit presumptuous to presume they voted that way because they are poor- my ex and his friends are simply somewhat racist with a giant chip on their shoulder- think Lee Anderson types.

what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal/1/UKF1

Anyone describing Ron deSantis as 'rational' has significant problems.

I'm Notts/Derbys border in a very working class area. There's not much EU funded here either and not much love for EU in the area.

It would be interesting to see how much gas or electricity could be bought for one hour of minimum wage work in different European countries.

So your business can from the EU but plumbers and bricklayers can't and should stay in their lane.

Got it

So your business can benefit from the EU but plumbers and bricklayers can't and should stay in their lane.

Got it

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The swathes of people moving to Florida in order to escape Democrat-generated chaos in California and similar 'Be Kind' states must have 'significant problems' too then. Interesting...

If you live in an area, and have to google to find out what the EU is doing for the area, how much is the EU doing for the area? Unless people see personal, tangible benefits from being the EU, why would you expect them to be pro-EU?

@outofthebleu the difference is I'm not trying to rip people off in or out of the EU , nor is my product essential - I'm dealing in a product , not a service. Many Tradesmen are now simply ripping people off simply because they can due to a shortage of tradesmen and many trades are pretty essential.

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@ Clavinova it doesn't matter when he said it- the context of his comments remains the same And also I will add in Johnson being totally in favour of EU till he sniffed an opportunity for him. I can quite assure you I paid a great deal of attention in 2015 and 2016 so Don't be so patronising

You are being patronising, or disingenuous, or you are clinging on to some false remainer narrative you read somewhere. I have provided numerous extracts and links from 2016 that state quite clearly that voters were told voting to leave the EU meant leaving the single market.

@Florenz it depends what you define as tangible benefits. In my experience for many people it only seems to count if it's in their pocket.

I'm not personally seeing much tangible benefits from Brexit by the way if we are using that criteria, nor where I live.

@MasterBeth - that is funny but not funny. There are actual politicians who think that. Some of them may have been in charge of the UK.

@khw666 I'm from that area too- (Mansfield) hence why I moved away- sorry I hated it - found it really depressing and racist

It's simple supply and demand. Tradespeople were underpaid for years because of freedom of movement. That didn't apply to middle-class professionals such as doctors, architects and lawyers, you couldn't just move here on Monday with a Polish law degree and start practicing law on Tuesday. It was one rule for the rich and another rule for the poor.

Kids will want to leave school and learn trades now instead of going to university to get useless 2nd and 3rd rate degrees. Which can only be a good thing.

9 May 2016
Boris Johnson’s speech on the EU referendum: full text

"What the government wants is for us to remain locked into the Single Market law-making regime, and to be exposed to 2500 new EU regulations a year. What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law."

//www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/05/boris-johnsons-speech-on-the-eu-referendum-full-text.html