To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

The runner was born in March of 1996.

The date of the pictures of the visit at the theatre company are known and verifiable.

I don’t know why people keep making up ages. Some facts are well facts and he was a certain age (15) in the picture no matter if you think he looks 9 or 10 or 12 or 15 or 18.

I have not seen any evidence of contact between them before 2011 and the only evidence of contact between 2011 and 2014 (when he turned 18) is the photo of the visit and online Twitter interactions.

I have no idea what did or didn’t happen between them, I am just saying that most of it is speculation.

interesting
how would people react if it was a female runner that he groomed?
better/worse?
probably still appalled

When this came out a while back (when PS actually came out), I mentioned the rumours to my gay friend and he said it was all homophbic and a witch hunt. I wonder if gay men think this is a non issue.

I've been at parties where the man is in his 70s and the partner in their early 20s. No one bats an eyelid.

I'd add that I'm straight and I think this all feels like grooming and bullying.

It’s obvious that also this young man was and still is vulnerable in some way and that is heartbreaking. I doubt when it comes to his and Holly's rudeness that everyone who has spoken out is wrong either. He was my idol growing up on tv when my father was aggressive and awful I often would wish PS was my dad because he looked kinder. The irony.

That’s misogyny for you 🙄

He was seen as brave because unknown to others he felt he was. No mention of other men in his life at the time. Now we know he had to come out because this story was going to. Not fair on the gay community to have this tarnished but there is good and bad in everything.

I think the idea that teens are children and not 'fair game' is quite a recent one. The Beatles and the stones, not to mention Elvis, all had sex with teenagers. They even wrote songs about it. Suddenly we've switched to (rightly so) condemning it as child abuse, which it mostly definitely is. That doesn't mean people like PS saw it as such. There are other famous couples who met when one was a teen, such as Aaron Johnson and that predator director woman.

No, the sexuality of the people involved has nothing to do with it. It's more the fact that Schofe "mentored" the guy when he was a kid and later entered into a secret relationship with him, it very much seems like a dodgy grooming situation and the reaction to that isn't at all homophobic but rather being rightfully outraged at disgusting predatory behavior

People did make a big deal about Cheryl and Liam at the time. However, when they started dating it was many years after the X factor. If someone comes forward and says she was actually mentoring him from being young, getting him jobs on shows she worked on and holding his career in her hand and lying then it fair enough it’s the same. They didn’t have an affair and Liam Payne didn’t lose his job when it was over. By all accounts they didn’t have much contact between the X factor and getting together almost 7 years later when they were both adults. I find it odd, as she had met him as a child, but I don’t think it’s the same scale.

The PS thing isn’t homophobia. In fact PS used his sexuality to try an avoid the truth coming out at allZ The only reason he came out was because of this rumour. By coming out he switched the focus and no one could critique him. He was portrayed as brave and vulnerable. It was ‘oh poor Philip having to hide he is sexuality his entire life’. It was a huge distraction technique.

PS, by some accounts, had close contact with the person in question from being young. Not only got him a job on this morning, but managed to get him on screen and involved in all sorts…..because he was sleeping with him. Not sure there’s any evidence Cheryl was doing that for Liam. It means the older person is in a position of power.

He then lied about it. announced he was gay when it might be coming out. Then had the young man moved from TM when they split. Apparently, told everyone (and convinced them) this young man was lying about the affair, which negatively impacted his career.

Did Cheryl tell everyone Liam was a liar and ruin his career? Did Cheryl damage Liam to hide their relationship?

In my early 30s I couldn’t have dated someone I had known at 14. I would it find it odd. There’s definite differences between the 2 and it’s not the sexuality of the people involved.

I am in my 40s now. But if I got an 18 year old a job at my employer, pushed to give them opportunities others didn’t get because I was sleeping with them, then destroyed their career when it was in danger of coming out, even if I met them when they were 18, I would expect to be sacked and have my professional reputation destroyed. If my job involved media and I made alot of money using my ‘nice woman persona’ to present to the public and was a public figure, I would expect huge backlash.

I don’t think calling out PS is homophobic. He deserves all that he’s getting.

But I know there hasn’t been any sort of witch-hunt against straight men who have done very similar, if not worse things.

MN wouldn’t see the same posts if PS was a woman.

I guess it’s just a happy coincidence for a lot of people that PS is a gay man.

If being gay was an issue in the entertainment world, there’d be no telly, newspapers, theatre, films or music. This is a big story due to a number of factors reaching boiling point:

Abuse of a position of power

Possible grooming at worst / distasteful at best

Portraying a ‘family man’ image whilst clearly not

Using a show to stop a story breaking (I’m gay’)

Brothers crimes

Queue Gate

Alleged imperious and arrogant attitude on set

Allegedly dismissive of and rude to fellow presenters

Management allowing Talent to become bigger than the show

Fellow presenters being sick of all the above

A Talent agency cutting all ties to protect rest of stable

Oh - and fellow main presenter pulling away to due to all above and saying ‘him or me’ publicly. That was the catalyst. Plus the fact that everyone in the industry knew.

Is it normal a 17 year old boy with a 50 year old man? Do you think the 17 year old boy would have had the affair with a different 50 year old man? Or was it because he was famous it seemed more appealing? Would you not be furious if you had a 17 year old son that was dating a 50 year old! I think it’s an absolutely disgusting and I honestly think he should be arrested.

Oh forgot that big thank you @YellowAndGreenToBeSeen this has all broke within weeks of PS admitting in court his reaction to his brother telling him what he did was ‘you can’t do that again’.

i mean really Wtf is that response?

Personally I’ve seen lots of gay people who are very angry about this and say they see it for what it is… Have a look at Simon Schofield who met Philip Schofield when he was 12. Then look at Simon Schofield’s relationship with MM. These people want to protect themselves and do so by crying about homophobia.

YABU, he groomed a child and then had an affair with him, he should be in jail

He groomed him. Very very clearly groomed him. If anything here is homophobia, it's your absolute lack of care for that exploited young man!

I think there is more to the story than is being told, or more known about PS than can be shared, hence why media is making such a big deal out of something relatively minor.

Either that or everyone hates PS and wanted his comeuppance.

Or maybe both.

He totally exploited his status and power to use the young lad for sexual reasons.
100%
Groomed a child.

He groomed a young teenager. The sex of that teenager is (and should) be irrelevant. The grooming and predatory behaviour is the issue.

In normal life would you think it is totally acceptable to see a 17 year old and a 50 year old man?

Nope it is wrong wrong.

One has celebrity status, money power.

Come on people it is morally wrong.

PS knows what he did was soo wrong too.

Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky

It’s a terrible stain on our history how that woman was treated by the media and public back then. She must be incredibly strong to withstand that ordeal.

Yes op, you have spectacularly missed the point. Massive age gap and grooming just to start with. Cover up and abuse of power. It is seedy to say the least and leaves a bad taste in the mouth. PS & HW thought they were untouchable as they were backed by their employers. I’m sure there is a major cover up here.

What's been reported is not the full story. What Philip did is just grim. Boy or girl. It's got nothing to do with homophobia

His 'brave' coming out was just a cover for it. He was forced into it because the papers were going to print about his relationship.

You don't slap on hefty legal NDAs to ensure people don't talk for no reason.