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To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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ivfregret · 01/06/2023 00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

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GeorginaBell · 01/06/2023 02:13

He was in a senior position of authority and the young man is for currently unknown reasons a vulnerable young man. When someone that senior like Phil who is also known by many to be a bully now also has potentially an emotional hold over a young man is seeing him the control balance is off the scale.

He was seeing this young adult whilst he was married. Nothing to do with him being gay whatsoever. He is morally corrupt.

seagulldown · 01/06/2023 02:15

Boomboom22 · 01/06/2023 02:06

Good point that being gay has actually protected him. He came out and then the story was quashed in case it looked homophobic. If it had been a young girl he'd have been sacked.

I agree that it's not homophobia and that PS has used the homophobia angle to his advantage to delay the scandal for some time (years) in the hope it would die out. Unfortunately for him, the Paedophilia side of things is just awful and can no longer be hidden by the 'being gay' story; what with one being totally fine and the other an awful crime

CrazyArmadilloLady · 01/06/2023 02:19

LuluBlakey1 · 01/06/2023 01:46

Because he's 23 or 24 in those photos. They are very recent. He met Schofield when he was 15 and in Y10 at school.

The boy was 10. Not in Year 10.

MegaManic · 01/06/2023 02:21

If anything his declaration of being gay protected him.

Are you seriously suggesting that - if PS had an affair with a 19 girl he had met whilst she was a teenager (possibly younger) and that she worked in the show as a runner whilst he was the shows star and when they split up she was moved on - it would be less of a scandal? Not to mention the fact he was married at the time. It would have been a far bigger story.

He tried to get away with it by coming out as gay and even submitted legal complaints about newspapers who threatened to expose it assuming the young man would continue to lie for him.

The only real homophobia I can see is that for a very long time people clearly didn't care that the young man involved was clearly exploited. If it was a teenage girl it would have been exposed long ago.

GeorginaBell · 01/06/2023 02:27

The reaction seeming overly extreme to you on a safeguarding issue is an issue in itself.

GeorginaBell · 01/06/2023 02:28

Ahhh well there it is the picture says it all doesn’t it?!

seagulldown · 01/06/2023 02:49

@PerfectYear321 thanks for the link. My quick scan is sobering reading.

'Plus it’s gone really quiet on MN with regards to chat about the Phillip Schofield situation 🤔' =this last post was interesting. Not so quiet anymore!

lemonchiffonpie · 01/06/2023 02:50

He came out as gay to hide the fact he was a pederast. It is not homophobic to object to the way he used and discarded a vulnerable teenage boy.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 01/06/2023 02:57

Are you coming back to your thread @ivfregret?

There’s no shame in admitting you were wrong.

PledgeNo · 01/06/2023 03:28

Why would a man in the 90s not have been able to be gay? There were loads of out gay men, supermarket sweep was a daytime TV show. I remember lots of number ones for FGTH, pet shop boys, Erasure to name a few, it wasn't an issue despite what the professional victims now a day's tell you.

If you are confused why mess around women or marry them, it's selfish.

Lovingitallnow · 01/06/2023 03:53

I agree if it had been a girl the scandal wouldn't have been as big and wouldn't have been reported the same way. If it was a girl I think there would have been an awful lot more discussion about the affair aspect, and also the various ways that she manipulated him into giving her a career and cheating on his wife and making her the temptress. Whether the reaction is different because of homophobia, misogyny or patriarchy I don't know. But I do agree if it had been a girl she would have been reported as having had far more agency in the whole thing.

The Liam and Cheryl comparison is ridiculous.

MrsRickAstley · 01/06/2023 03:55

😂😂😂

EggDaisy · 01/06/2023 06:01

He had to declare "the relationship was not illegal."

The fact he thought this was a good thing to say tells you everything.

I've personally never had to explain any of my relationships as "not illegal"!!!

He's a predator, pure and simple.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 01/06/2023 06:12

nancy75 · 01/06/2023 00:20

I actually think he’s been let off for a long time because he’s gay.

When he first came out he was all over the place being ‘brave and strong’.
If he’d been married & having an affair with a (much younger) woman he would have been called out as a lying, cheating ratbag. Because he’d been unfaithful with men he was brave 🙄

Exactly. Fuck off with the 'homophobia'. He was let off easy for his behaviour before. There's a massive power imbalance. PS deserves every bad piece of press from this.

Chchchchchangesss · 01/06/2023 06:14

ivfregret · 01/06/2023 00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

The child was 10 years old when they first met for fucks sake. Phil was in a position of massive power, which he used to get this child into his grasp.

Why are some people so keen to shut down concerns of grooming by shouting homophobia?

He groomed a child. Just because he appears to have waited until that child was an adult before having sex with him it doesn't make it ok.

If phil the plumber from down your road took an unhealthy interest in your child from your child being 10-14 years old, and then started a relationship with your child, with a 34 year age gap, you wouldn't be concerned at this?

StandingMyGround888 · 01/06/2023 06:16

I can't believe people are drawing comparisons with Savile.

JingsMahBucket · 01/06/2023 06:20

@ivfregret YANBU. There’s definitely a homophobia vibe going around. Like “See, we knew we couldn’t trust them” even though most grooming is done by heterosexual men.

User18538754 · 01/06/2023 06:21

CrazyArmadilloLady · 01/06/2023 02:57

Are you coming back to your thread @ivfregret?

There’s no shame in admitting you were wrong.

They will be in bed I guess at this time.

Mykingdomforanap · 01/06/2023 06:21

I agree with Mrs terry pratchet. It would have been less of a scandal if it was a girl - not due to homophobia but due to misogyny.

JingsMahBucket · 01/06/2023 06:21

Lovingitallnow · 01/06/2023 03:53

I agree if it had been a girl the scandal wouldn't have been as big and wouldn't have been reported the same way. If it was a girl I think there would have been an awful lot more discussion about the affair aspect, and also the various ways that she manipulated him into giving her a career and cheating on his wife and making her the temptress. Whether the reaction is different because of homophobia, misogyny or patriarchy I don't know. But I do agree if it had been a girl she would have been reported as having had far more agency in the whole thing.

The Liam and Cheryl comparison is ridiculous.

Definitely agree.

YouJustDoYou · 01/06/2023 06:22

lemonchiffonpie · 01/06/2023 02:50

He came out as gay to hide the fact he was a pederast. It is not homophobic to object to the way he used and discarded a vulnerable teenage boy.

This

PTSDBarbiegirl · 01/06/2023 06:23

PopcorningPancakingWheeking · 01/06/2023 00:06

It's because he cheated on his wife. Understandably people are upset about that. He isn't a victim. He didn't have to marry.

Sorry but how do you know his wife is not also gay? Marriages of convenience with children are not that uncommon in some circles! It's incredibly naive to say 'his poor wife didn't know'. Of course his wife and daughters knew. They didn't live together but PS is a lowlife, grooming deviant who targets very young males who will be desperate to impress and uses them. He's a massive narcissist.

SequinsandStilettos · 01/06/2023 06:28

If it had been a girl she would have been reported as having had far more agency in the whole thing.
Yes. Look at Virginia Giuffre.
Had the runner been female then Patriarchy dictates the reframing of the mentee as a Lolita/money grabber/sleeping her way to the top/bitter/kiss n tell blackmailer/Fatal Attraction psycho bunny. Have I missed any out?
Whereas I have only seen one paparazzo account that is disparaging to the runner, along the lines of how very dare he threaten to expose the affair?

I think the 34 year age gap, the work experience/patronage, the NDA/pay off and the orchestrated coming out have all played their part in sceptical people condemning the affair. That the couple are gay is by the by except for self-imposed reporting restrictions no longer doxxing/outing people.

Had the press publicly outed Phil, there may have been an outcry (see Rebel Wilson).
Had the co-workers done anything other than applaud Phil's coming out, then they would have been deemed homophobic.
Even co-presenters who were openly gay at the time - Ranj, Rylan, Dan - were put into a tricky situation. Do you call him out, understanding that twink/cub-bear/gerontophilia are not uncommon sub-cultures?
Do you call him out, knowing the history of homophobia that gay = predatory/pederast? Do you really want to add to that?

Phil's coming out itself was deeply cynical - note that it did not work for Kevin Spacey - Holly could have refused to go along with it.

Add to that a work-culture of playing hard, the runner not necessarily perceiving themselves as gay when they joined TM and the abuse of power in sleeping with a protégé you're mentoring: it's little wonder that it has become a scandal.

Timing is everything. Three years ago, # be kind and lockdowns played into ITV's hands. They had successfully taken the heat off Phil and made the story go away.
Three years later - and Phil's brother being a convicted paedophile - the writing was on the wall. Holly's PR recognised that weeks ago hence the desperate bid to extricate her.

TheFairyCaravan · 01/06/2023 06:28

There’s no homophobia.

PS is a predator. We’ve known this since he came out, but ITV etc tried to convince us he was “stunning and brave.” PS abused his power and groomed a young boy, just because he allegedly waited until he was of legal age to have sex with him doesn’t make it ok.

I think this is the tip of a very large iceberg and won’t be shocked if a whole can of worms is opened very soon tbh.

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