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To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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ivfregret · 01/06/2023 00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

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OCarumba · 04/06/2023 09:59

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 09:05

No he’s not, he’s pretty scathed right now, isn’t he? It’s just that some people think this is an hysterical overreaction. He hasn’t committed a crime, his worst self admitted offence is poor judgement. The media coverage and social media outrage is completely disproportionate - which is pretty much what Clarkson has said.

I can’t believe people aren’t more upset that he didn’t report a child being sexually abused

WoolyAndYug · 04/06/2023 10:00

He kept in touch with a kid and as soon as was able to got that child a job and started sleeping with him.

WoolyAndYug · 04/06/2023 10:01

Does everyone believe there were only 5/6 incidents and it was as Phil was wrestling with his sexuality? Because people are saying he's had boyfriends for 20 years or so and kept it quiet.

Elior · 04/06/2023 10:05

WoolyAndYug · 04/06/2023 10:01

Does everyone believe there were only 5/6 incidents and it was as Phil was wrestling with his sexuality? Because people are saying he's had boyfriends for 20 years or so and kept it quiet.

Nope. I think he is having to juggle different lies which he has told to different people and the balls will come down once we get more people coming forward and speaking.
The reason he pursued a boy rather than the thousands of gay men available was for the thrill and the addiction.

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 10:19

OCarumba · 04/06/2023 09:59

I can’t believe people aren’t more upset that he didn’t report a child being sexually abused

Quite.

JamSandle · 04/06/2023 10:23

I think the scandal would be even worse if it was a young girl. And the girl herself would probably be treated worse:

'She asked for it'
'She must have provoked him'
'Lured him away from his marriage'

Not seeing homophobia in this at all.

OCarumba · 04/06/2023 11:01

JamSandle · 04/06/2023 10:23

I think the scandal would be even worse if it was a young girl. And the girl herself would probably be treated worse:

'She asked for it'
'She must have provoked him'
'Lured him away from his marriage'

Not seeing homophobia in this at all.

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FlipFlopsInMyCar · 04/06/2023 11:06

OCarumba · 04/06/2023 11:01

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Idontpostmuch · 04/06/2023 11:21

WoolyAndYug · 04/06/2023 10:01

Does everyone believe there were only 5/6 incidents and it was as Phil was wrestling with his sexuality? Because people are saying he's had boyfriends for 20 years or so and kept it quiet.

I believe there was only that one man, although he could well be understating the number of incidents. All sorts of rumours abound in life generally. There's no proof of any more lovers and nor is there any proof that the young man stayed overnight. Rumours spread rapidly at the first hint (or no hint) of homosexual activity, faster than any other kind of rumour. (When I was in secondary school and didn't make friends easily, I was friends with one other girl who had no other friends. I was shocked to be told about the rumours going round about us, and there wasn't even a shred of truth.) PS has been silly. He's clearly bisexual, but fame went to his head and he thought he should have everything, and saw no reason why he should deprive himself of indulging his liking for 'the other'. Yet he was about to be sprung, so played the gay card for sympathy, and the rest is history. He threw away a secure and loving marriage for kicks.

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 11:25

He threw away a secure and loving marriage for kicks.

Did he? They’re still married.

WheelsUp · 04/06/2023 11:30

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 11:25

He threw away a secure and loving marriage for kicks.

Did he? They’re still married.

Plus he's gay. That's a deal breaker normally

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 11:33

WheelsUp · 04/06/2023 11:30

Plus he's gay. That's a deal breaker normally

It isn’t for a lot of women in long marriages.

TrashyPanda · 04/06/2023 12:39

He’s clearly gay, not bisexual.

TrashyPanda · 04/06/2023 12:44

His behaviour in befriending a boy, inviting him to the studio as “work experience” the. getting him a job, waiting till he was ”legal” to have sex and even having sex with him at work: all that andthen dumping him is repugnant.

he is finally acknowledged to be a predator.

and the power he once had has been removed, thankfully.

Unintentionallycausingoffence · 04/06/2023 17:17

Cheryl Cole flirting with Liam Payne when he was underage. It’s a grey area, was it harmless and she only had sexual feelings for him once he was over the age of consent. Was it wrong and potential grooming but she got away with it as she’s a celebrity?

Unintentionallycausingoffence · 04/06/2023 17:19

I remember people saying about Tom Daley during the 2016 Olympics “I would now he’s old enough”.

Unintentionallycausingoffence · 04/06/2023 17:24

Phillip Schofield was a mentor when he’s partner was a boy. No one can prove his intentions and feelings and whether he acted on them before it was legal or not

OCarumba · 04/06/2023 17:24

Unintentionallycausingoffence · 04/06/2023 17:17

Cheryl Cole flirting with Liam Payne when he was underage. It’s a grey area, was it harmless and she only had sexual feelings for him once he was over the age of consent. Was it wrong and potential grooming but she got away with it as she’s a celebrity?

Or a very attractive + young female

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 18:14

I personally feel after watching PS interview again that he was incredibly coercive in it to MM, still. He's tried to frame it as "I'm ruined, I'm sorry" but if you listen - he not only speaks for MM saying how he feels and admits in the next breath he's not spoken to him bc of the show.

He states he's paying his legal fees on air and claims they're still "friendly" in an attempt to place blame on the media and public for how MM feels - which we only have PS words to believe on a man he's told us he hasn't spoken to.

How is MM free of his influence enough to say or do anything but what PS wants the narrative to be even now? If he genuinely wanted him to be then he could've anonymously donated a sum and not used it in an interview to try and make himself look better

We have no idea how MM feels but a choice between Eammons comments when Ruth is still in touch, and PS comments who tells us while telling us they haven't spoken

I stayed in touch with the man who groomed me as a child, invited him to my wedding around ten years later and I still carry an unfair guilt that if I spoke out I would cause him to harm himself- this happened because I couldn't recognise it as grooming and truly believed I was a consenting participant in that relationship until much later on in my life (and some counselling) - he wasn't the only one at the time and I could see those for what they were much sooner yet missed this one had been precisely because he kept things "friendly" and our families are very close. I don't feel I can speak out now without hurting others so I don't want to but cut all contact and blocked on everything some years ago. I'm also stuck in that well, but did he do it to anyone else? And nobody else has come forward

Nobody else has come forward and MM might feel similarly scared he could push PS over the edge if he did or simply not yet see it as having been groomed- especially with the guy now paying his lawyers and telling the nation that

Felt like he was sending MM a msg tbh via it

FlipFlopsInMyCar · 04/06/2023 18:36

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 18:14

I personally feel after watching PS interview again that he was incredibly coercive in it to MM, still. He's tried to frame it as "I'm ruined, I'm sorry" but if you listen - he not only speaks for MM saying how he feels and admits in the next breath he's not spoken to him bc of the show.

He states he's paying his legal fees on air and claims they're still "friendly" in an attempt to place blame on the media and public for how MM feels - which we only have PS words to believe on a man he's told us he hasn't spoken to.

How is MM free of his influence enough to say or do anything but what PS wants the narrative to be even now? If he genuinely wanted him to be then he could've anonymously donated a sum and not used it in an interview to try and make himself look better

We have no idea how MM feels but a choice between Eammons comments when Ruth is still in touch, and PS comments who tells us while telling us they haven't spoken

I stayed in touch with the man who groomed me as a child, invited him to my wedding around ten years later and I still carry an unfair guilt that if I spoke out I would cause him to harm himself- this happened because I couldn't recognise it as grooming and truly believed I was a consenting participant in that relationship until much later on in my life (and some counselling) - he wasn't the only one at the time and I could see those for what they were much sooner yet missed this one had been precisely because he kept things "friendly" and our families are very close. I don't feel I can speak out now without hurting others so I don't want to but cut all contact and blocked on everything some years ago. I'm also stuck in that well, but did he do it to anyone else? And nobody else has come forward

Nobody else has come forward and MM might feel similarly scared he could push PS over the edge if he did or simply not yet see it as having been groomed- especially with the guy now paying his lawyers and telling the nation that

Felt like he was sending MM a msg tbh via it

I also felt this.

Gothambutnotahamster · 04/06/2023 19:47

Completely agree @FlipFlopsInMyCar

Boomboom22 · 04/06/2023 23:04

He's not a paedophile but clearly has always been gay or bi! It does look like grooming here, but that doesn't mean they had any sexual contact before 20. Also we do know mm dob etc, he us now 27 or 28, with his name any journalist or anyone could pay to check the records. Also we don't know they had sex, Phil made out it was the odd kiss, I'd hazard a bit more than that. Mm declaring his love shows the power bit. If it was sex I don't think that would be the case. Phil is def attracted to late teens early 20s guys so watch out for the next stories with each one being 20 whatever age Phil was.

Lemieux3 · 05/06/2023 08:15

Also we don't know they had sex, Phil made out it was the odd kiss, I'd hazard a bit more than that.

And if you believe that, you'll believe anything 😂 PS has admitted to the minimum that he needs to. It's quite likely that he was sleeping with MM when he was only 15.

Otherwise why would TM have got rid of him?

Idontpostmuch · 05/06/2023 08:20

Boomboom22 · 04/06/2023 23:04

He's not a paedophile but clearly has always been gay or bi! It does look like grooming here, but that doesn't mean they had any sexual contact before 20. Also we do know mm dob etc, he us now 27 or 28, with his name any journalist or anyone could pay to check the records. Also we don't know they had sex, Phil made out it was the odd kiss, I'd hazard a bit more than that. Mm declaring his love shows the power bit. If it was sex I don't think that would be the case. Phil is def attracted to late teens early 20s guys so watch out for the next stories with each one being 20 whatever age Phil was.

Why does everyone swallow his 'I'm gay' line? Surely he's bi? How can he be anything other than bi? Good point re what they actually did ie we don't know for sure they had sex. I think it's unfair to assume there were other men. Just because he lied once doesn't mean he's covering up a string of other lovers.

knittingaddict · 05/06/2023 08:29

Idontpostmuch · 04/06/2023 11:21

I believe there was only that one man, although he could well be understating the number of incidents. All sorts of rumours abound in life generally. There's no proof of any more lovers and nor is there any proof that the young man stayed overnight. Rumours spread rapidly at the first hint (or no hint) of homosexual activity, faster than any other kind of rumour. (When I was in secondary school and didn't make friends easily, I was friends with one other girl who had no other friends. I was shocked to be told about the rumours going round about us, and there wasn't even a shred of truth.) PS has been silly. He's clearly bisexual, but fame went to his head and he thought he should have everything, and saw no reason why he should deprive himself of indulging his liking for 'the other'. Yet he was about to be sprung, so played the gay card for sympathy, and the rest is history. He threw away a secure and loving marriage for kicks.

I think you're being very naive here.

He isn't clearly bisexual at all. Do you think that because he was/is married? Plenty of gay men have married in the past to conceal their true sexuality. Sometimes even to themselves.

Also, why would you think that it's only this one young man? Because no one else has been named? That is highly unlikely.