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ivfregret · 2023-05-31T23:00:20+00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor? He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship. I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:24

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:22

ALL adults are in a position of trust (small ‘p’, small ‘t’), even if they’re not in a Position of Trust, when it come to minors. That’s not up for debate.

Or, at least, I didn’t think it was….

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The runner want a minor.

We are not talking about ethics but about the legal term for a position of trust as defined by the Sexual Offences Act 2002

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:25

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:24

The runner want a minor.

We are not talking about ethics but about the legal term for a position of trust as defined by the Sexual Offences Act 2002

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He was a minor when they met and began any sort of involvement together.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:25

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:18

‘Where are you going with this’

😂

YOU are the one suggesting PS was legally in a Position of Trust. I’m arguing that he was categorically not.

I’m not ‘going’ anywhere with it, I’m explaining why your argument that he’s in the same position as a teacher is a load of old shite.

No.
I'm saying that all adults are in a position of trust with minors and there is a potential for abuse of that position of power regardless of job or profession or whatever capacity that the adult meets the child in.

Not that they're on the specified legal list.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:25

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:22

You don't think he did anything illegal because you're believing his version of events. Many of the rest of us do not believe his version of events.

Actually that’s exactly what it means - if organisations require no safeguarding scrutiny of children then that’s because they don’t hold the same kind of power over children. Safeguarding isn’t randomised, it’s implemented carefully to organisations that have a duty of care to children. TM is not one of those.

That's just ridiculous. Any adult could potentially have that kind of power over children for various reasons, fame, charisma etc. but you think 'oh they're not on the list therefore it's not possible for any abuse of power'.

Er - both those professions are specific led positions of trust and are in no way comparable to being a TV presenter

The wrong example but you should understand what I mean regardless.

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I don’t understand what you mean at all, and I don’t think you understand what a Position of Trust even is and why it doesn’t actually apply to every adult.

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 03/06/2023 23:26

Who is investigating? Not the police, as no one had complained. Just some arsehole YTers and dodgy journalists with a track record of bullying. Because in all likelihood it was just a big age gap relationship and nothing more

ITV are supposed to investigate and at have no idea if there's more because they haven't investigated anything.

Phillip looked shifty as hell, gave rambling answers and generally looked like a deer in the headlights. Way too early to rule out anything else.

It could be that the remains started at 18 not 20 or the sex was more than 5-6 times.

agree that GB news and others are absolutely loving this. They are riding this for all it's worth. Back to back former colleagues and guests speaking out. Usually rambling about sobering other than the events in question (Phillip was rude to me back in 2018 etc.)

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:26

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:25

He was a minor when they met and began any sort of involvement together.

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The involvement being meeting and following on Twitter? That’s not illegal.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:26

For God’s sake, once again, @LifeIsPainHighness - ALL adults are ethically and morally in a position of trust.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:27

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:25

No.
I'm saying that all adults are in a position of trust with minors and there is a potential for abuse of that position of power regardless of job or profession or whatever capacity that the adult meets the child in.

Not that they're on the specified legal list.

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Even though YOU named the legal list?

I don’t actually think we should believe all adults are in a position of trust and that’s a dangerous precedent to set.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:28

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:26

For God’s sake, once again, @LifeIsPainHighness - ALL adults are ethically and morally in a position of trust.

That’s not what we are talks about though - this has stemmed from a PP suggesting PS has broken the law under the Sexual Offences Act 2002 because it could be argued he was in a legal Position of Trust.

And again I don’t think all adults are in a position of trust at all and find it baffling others think they are

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:28

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:26

The involvement being meeting and following on Twitter? That’s not illegal.

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OMG, I know.

You’re the one getting hung up on legalities.

PS has fallen from grace not because he necessarily did anything illegal (although we don’t yet know that for a fact) - but because he did something wrong.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:29

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 03/06/2023 23:26

Who is investigating? Not the police, as no one had complained. Just some arsehole YTers and dodgy journalists with a track record of bullying. Because in all likelihood it was just a big age gap relationship and nothing more

ITV are supposed to investigate and at have no idea if there's more because they haven't investigated anything.

Phillip looked shifty as hell, gave rambling answers and generally looked like a deer in the headlights. Way too early to rule out anything else.

It could be that the remains started at 18 not 20 or the sex was more than 5-6 times.

agree that GB news and others are absolutely loving this. They are riding this for all it's worth. Back to back former colleagues and guests speaking out. Usually rambling about sobering other than the events in question (Phillip was rude to me back in 2018 etc.)

I don’t really know what ITV will investigate except their own dishonesty and public lies.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:30

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:28

OMG, I know.

You’re the one getting hung up on legalities.

PS has fallen from grace not because he necessarily did anything illegal (although we don’t yet know that for a fact) - but because he did something wrong.

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It wasn’t me who brought up the legal argument FFS.

But I agree. He will never work again.

Lucky for him he isn’t some up and coming 25yo, he’s close to retirement age and absolutely loaded so I’m sure he will be fine.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:31

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:27

Even though YOU named the legal list?

I don’t actually think we should believe all adults are in a position of trust and that’s a dangerous precedent to set.

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It is the precedent already fgs 😂

There are laws against grooming for example because ALL adults are in a position of power over children.

And YOU named the list. I just added to it and said sports coaches etc had been included since then, and to explain how most people see this as similar.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:33

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:30

It wasn’t me who brought up the legal argument FFS.

But I agree. He will never work again.

Lucky for him he isn’t some up and coming 25yo, he’s close to retirement age and absolutely loaded so I’m sure he will be fine.

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Yes it was you who brought it up.

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LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:35

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:33

Yes it was you who brought it up.

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Actually it was @ProfessorXtra who brought it up (apologies for saying it was originally you)

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:37

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:28

That’s not what we are talks about though - this has stemmed from a PP suggesting PS has broken the law under the Sexual Offences Act 2002 because it could be argued he was in a legal Position of Trust.

And again I don’t think all adults are in a position of trust at all and find it baffling others think they are

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All adults - whether (but most especially) in a professional capacity or not - when dealing with minors, vulnerable, and / or dependent people, are in a position of trust.

I’m not just baffled, but incredulous, that you don’t think this is the case/

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:38

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:37

All adults - whether (but most especially) in a professional capacity or not - when dealing with minors, vulnerable, and / or dependent people, are in a position of trust.

I’m not just baffled, but incredulous, that you don’t think this is the case/

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When have I said otherwise?

I have stated those who are in a role caring in some way for children are in a POT (legal official)

People are arguing that an accountant somehow is in a position of trust if they ever happen to come into contact with a child in their life.

That’s what’s baffling me.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:40

Gah I missed the ‘professional or otherwise’ part.

The POT discussion was entirely centred around professionals and which professions are considered as a POT. I stick to my belief that adding TV presenters to that list is ludicrous.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 23:40

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 23:37

All adults - whether (but most especially) in a professional capacity or not - when dealing with minors, vulnerable, and / or dependent people, are in a position of trust.

I’m not just baffled, but incredulous, that you don’t think this is the case/

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Same!!

ProfessorXtra · 04/06/2023 06:41

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:35

Actually it was @ProfessorXtra who brought it up (apologies for saying it was originally you)

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No I didn’t bring it up. People were discussing the age of consent. I pointed out that the age of consent isn’t 16 in all cases. The discussion about age of consent, started before that.

I didn’t say PS was his legal mentor or in a legal POT. But he was his mentor. He gave him regular career advice, got him a job and progressed his career whilst in that job. That’s a mentor. It might be legal. But it’s wrong.

When you quoted me you, conveniently, left out the part where I said I don’t think PS had any intention of having sex with him when he was younger OR that he legally groomed him and pointed out that I was simply talking about the age of consent discussion. Here is what I said.

I don’t particularly believe PS was sat waiting for years for this man to come of age. But consent being 16, isn’t always applicable. Besides which, even if it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. I have no idea when PS decided he was going to sleep with this young man. I don’t think it was when he was under 18. But it’s clear PS was in a position of power when it happened. May not be illegal. But definitely creep and wrong in my opinion.

i pointed out, twice, that I believe PS didn’t act illegally. I don’t agree with it, but at this point there’s no evidence he acted illegally. Notice I said PS was in a position of power, not position of trust, when he slept with him. He was in a position of power. Which is different to a legal position of trust.

Hellenabe · 04/06/2023 06:53

I'm just shocked that it looks like celebs (Jeremy Clarkson, Rupert Everett) are supportive of him! Is Philip really going to come out of this unscathed?!

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 09:05

Hellenabe · 04/06/2023 06:53

I'm just shocked that it looks like celebs (Jeremy Clarkson, Rupert Everett) are supportive of him! Is Philip really going to come out of this unscathed?!

No he’s not, he’s pretty scathed right now, isn’t he? It’s just that some people think this is an hysterical overreaction. He hasn’t committed a crime, his worst self admitted offence is poor judgement. The media coverage and social media outrage is completely disproportionate - which is pretty much what Clarkson has said.

Newnamenewname109870 · 04/06/2023 09:14

If there’s no proof he’s groomed anyone and he’s just a guy in his 50s who had a fling with an attractive 20 year old then no he hasn’t done much wrong. He’s being vilified for having an affair with a younger man. So no wonder many people think it’s crazy. You can quite easily know a kid and not think much of it, support them and then later on go oh wow ok they’re hot now.

Yes Cheryl and Liam yes Monica and Richard (Friends).

Newnamenewname109870 · 04/06/2023 09:15

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2023 09:05

No he’s not, he’s pretty scathed right now, isn’t he? It’s just that some people think this is an hysterical overreaction. He hasn’t committed a crime, his worst self admitted offence is poor judgement. The media coverage and social media outrage is completely disproportionate - which is pretty much what Clarkson has said.

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Yeah it’s only bad if he’s actually groomed a kid which I’ve seen no proof of yet

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 04/06/2023 09:52

Does anyone here really think Philip is telling the truth re the age of consent and this boy? I think he’s lying and has told the boy to agree it was when he was of an age to legally consent. I think itv bosses etc probably know he’s lying re that but have to listen to him saying he’s telling the truth.