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My Mum died, are my friends being shit or AIBU?

104 replies

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 18:52

I have a very loving marriage thankfully, so I'm not alone. But in terms of friends I feel quite discarded, but wonder if it's just me being over sensitive due to my head being messed up with the bereavement?

My 'best friend' is the exception to this, I feel I could ring her whenever I need to. We speak every few weeks and it's great. But the fact that all my other friends seem to have discarded me a bit is making it hard to connect with anyone tbh. I feel embarrassed, like nobody wants me around/ can be bothered with me.

Other friends who know my mum died -

  1. Old school friend who sent a lovely text message and asked for my new address, I thought to send card, but never showed up. Maybe she sent it I guess but probably didn't? We're not close any more so I get that
  2. Recent very close friend, I was her bridesmaid last year did the same thing - made noises about sending a card, but didn't. She was in touch when my mum was in hospice care but then petered out and didn't respond to my last text so when she got back in touch over a month after my mum had died, she thought she was still alive. Texts me when drunk (I think) telling me how much she wants to be there for me, but then doesn't reply for weeks
  3. Friend who got in touch when mum was in hospice, said "I'm so sorry, that's awful" and then nothing more - whatever, they were more a light hearted friendship anyway
  4. Similar to above but I irrationally am a bit pissed off because when her dog died, I was supportive because I knew how devastated she was. But nothing though she knows my mum was in hospice, and then texted me about something else, I didn't reply
  5. Recent close friend who read my message at Christmas about my mum in hospice and just didn't reply. I don't understand this at all, we live in different places now but she again would regularly refer to me as a best/ close friend. I was there for her when her dad got cancer, and though I lived elsewhere was in touch when her sister in law died.

I feel embarrassed, like none of these people care a jot about me and more fool me for even thinking to share the news my mum had died. It's making me feel uncertain in terms of every friendship now.

But grief does weird stuff so AIBU as not thinking clearly?

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GCalltheway · 31/05/2023 19:55

This is a really difficult time to find out your friends are not there for you. I would let go of them for now at least and focus on getting through this. Counselling is really recommended. I am sorry op you deserve love and support at this most difficult time

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/05/2023 19:56

I actually had more support from a couple of colleagues than from family, but given that there was zero from them that wouldn't have been hard.

pancakesandlemons · 31/05/2023 19:57

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Emelene · 31/05/2023 19:58

I’m sorry for your loss OP. Their behaviour reflects on them, not you, but I know it’s hard to believe that sometimes.

Would you like to tell us a bit about your Mum? Flowers

rainyskylight · 31/05/2023 20:00

Hi OP, based upon recently being a bridesmaid, are you perhaps in your twenties or thirties? My father died when I was 31 and no one really knew or understood any of what I was going through. It was so foreign to their normal life, they had very little common ground with the whole thing. Please don’t think it’s because you are unworthy, it may just be because they have no effing clue. I’m so sorry for your loss.

Cakeandcookies · 31/05/2023 20:02

Op I'm so very sorry for your loss 💐
You shouldn't feel ashamed or as if this is your fault - you haven't done anything wrong.
You've supported your 'friends' in the past and it is only right that they should do the same for you. However, like many others have said grief/bereavement can be very triggering for others and selfishly or otherwise they may be protecting themselves. Do not take it on as your issue though. This is a very sad and vulnerable time for you. Lean on those who are there and you can choose to reconnect with them as and when you are stronger/if you choose to do so. Sending you well wishes and hugs xx

moonlight1705 · 31/05/2023 20:03

I'm so sorry for your loss. Can I ask if you are quite young? I was 34 when my mum died and honestly, I was the first out of most of my friends, so they didn't know how to react. The best person to support me was someone who had also lost their dad young.

I found my older friends (50s and 60s) seemed to understand more.

Bluebells1970 · 31/05/2023 20:05

My Dad died in January after an awful few months with cancer. I was absolutely fuming that relatives rang up in the first few days after his death who hadn't offered any support or help when he was ill, but were suddenly there asking about funeral arrangements and offering to inform people. It felt like they were vultures in truth.

People I thought were friends really weren't, and I've massively narrowed my circle down as a result. I can rely on my DH and my DC - fuck everyone else. My tolerance has completely shifted as a result, and I don't have the time or energy for superficial friends.

It has completely changed me, in all honesty - but I think losing a parent does shake your foundations. I'm so very sorry for your loss Flowers

YouOKHun · 31/05/2023 20:07

*Others (like you) are worthy of support and outpourings of love. I'm clearly not.

Makes me ashamed*

please don’t say that @amiaworthlessweirdo because people’s insensitive behaviour isn’t a mark of your character. It may be true that people don’t know what to say but I say tough, it’s not about their sensibilities, it’s about your loss and they should acknowledge it fully even if it’s difficult for them, it’s a whole lot harder for you.

I remember when my Aunt’s husband was killed in a car accident when I was a teenager. Her grief was made so much worse not by the awkward “I’m so sorry” comments but by the people who crossed the street to avoid her or by those who minimised it - I resolved never to start a sentence to a bereaved person with “at least…”

I’ve experienced it too and sorry if this ends up being a bit long. My DF had lymphoma which became much worse just before the first lockdown. We’d already been banned from cancer wards at that stage and one day when I was with my best friend my DF had been blue lighted to hospital the night before and I was waiting on a call from the hospital to know if he had survived the night because we couldn’t go with him. She was there and of all the people I knew she was the one who knew how dire things were for him and where they were heading. She also knew my father, he wasn’t someone she had never met.

When she left that day I still didn’t know if he was alive. Days later we were locked down. She never asked if he survived. In fact throughout he summer of 2020 she didn’t message at all. It was a terrible time made worse by the pandemic and when he died in March 2021 I heard nothing from her then. Times were odd so I thought she must have missed the news even though other more distant friends sent cards and acknowledged what had happened. I decided to see how long it took her to get in touch. Months passed and not a solitary text from my so called best friend. Then I got a text from her out of the blue four months later wanting some information from me, again not mentioning my father. I thought that she must have missed the information.

Then six months later I bumped into her. I felt really upset seeing her but she greeted me enthusiastically and asked me how I was. I said “OK but my dad died a few months ago” and she said “oh yeah I heard”, “you knew? I said, “Yeah, someone must have told me, I can’t even remember, honestly what AM I like??!! and she laughed.

I just felt so hurt; it turns out she did know he was dying, she did know he’d died but it just didn’t matter enough to bother acknowledging it. I’ve ghosted her completely, I don’t care if it’s childish. I can’t face her. I didn’t expect everyone to acknowledge it at all and I know people have busy lives but such a good friend who knew what was happening and knew my DF?

It really hurts doesn’t it? Especially when you’re already hurting enough. But it’s not you, it’s them. BTW some of the best support I got through that time was right here on MN. I posted here under another username wondering if I was being demanding or weird. The consensus was that it wasn’t me behaving badly.

I'm really sorry for your loss 💐

Fairyliz · 31/05/2023 20:07

Well I don’t know, I’m sorry things are awful for you at the moment but what can they actually do?
When my mum died some friends send cards and flowers and messages of condolence. However I’m not sure it really helped, it wasn’t going to bring my mum back which is what I wanted.
I think some people are just better with practical stuff. So if you broke your leg they would be there to take you out or do your shopping etc, but there isn’t anything they can actually do when you lose someone.
So sorry for your loss op, hope you can remember the good times.

Oblomov23 · 31/05/2023 20:08

Admittedly they haven't text to see how you are doing. But have you text them?

BluebellBlueballs · 31/05/2023 20:17

Not defending shit behaviour but I'm wondering if there's a bit of 'bystander apathy'going pm?

Do your friends know each other or have you formed friendships relatively independently of each other? Do they assume you have other closer friends as your support system.

Still shit if they do but I don't think yoi should conclude they totally don't give a shit

oakleaffy · 31/05/2023 20:20

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 19:08

Well, maybe it's just me, this is kind of what I mean.

Others (like you) are worthy of support and outpourings of love. I'm clearly not.

Makes me ashamed.

@amiaworthlessweirdo Are you perhaps younger? {under 50?}
I would always send a card or letter in a case like this..
I do wonder of it is an 'age' thing?

Eg, 'Older' people tend to be more 'Card orientated' than younger ones?

Maybe if your friends haven't experienced the loss of a parent or very close relation, they have no idea how difficult it is, and how something as simple as a card can mean a lot.

When Dad died, mum had loads of cards and letters.
I didn't- but I was younger when Dad died than I am now.

Sorry for the loss of your Mum, it's hard.

Nanananananana99 · 31/05/2023 20:23

Really sorry op, I’ve lost my mum too and there is nothing like it.

Id say, with the friends who did express condolences but haven’t shown much practical support, give it a little while longer if you can just incase they are also going through something bad that they might not want to burden you with.

Similarly with the friend whose dad died of cancer, maybe they want to be there for you but it’s bringing up painful emotions so maybe wait a while.

I don’t think you are worthless or not worth the effort and can see how this an added hurt that you don’t need. However, I think while you are in the immediate depths of grief it’s not the best time to look at it all rationally and you are also putting extra pressure on yourself by trying to work out other people’s motives.

Try and be as kind to yourself as possible, and when you feel all the awful loneliness etc lean on your wonderful DP and BF.

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 20:24

Just about the card -

I didn't expect cards, it was just 2 separate people said they were going to send something (I assumed cards? I guess could also have been flowers but that would be more expensive so would not have thought so) and then nothing arrived.

I did not automatically expect it, but when they said that I was keeping an eye on the post. Though as pointed out upthread post not been at its most reliable so who knows.

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MidsummerNightsDream · 31/05/2023 20:26

Happened to me when my dad died. Some didn’t get back in touch at all. Friends who finally got in touch said they thought I’d rather be left alone. I really didn’t. I needed friends. These experiences show you who your true friends are IME.

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 20:26

Oblomov23 · 31/05/2023 20:08

Admittedly they haven't text to see how you are doing. But have you text them?

I don't feel I can anymore. What would I even say?

Honestly, I feel so disconnected from basically everyone other than my OH now.

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Threeboysadogandacat · 31/05/2023 20:31

I think times have changed. Dh lost his son recently. We got three cards and one of those was from my sister. However there were dozens of messages on his Facebook page with his friends typing the sort of sentiments that would have once been written in a card. I think this is just what they do now. Lack of cards and peoples bad manners in no way reflect on you. Take care of yourself. It’s almost 11 years since my mum died and there’s not a day I don’t think of her. It’s a hard loss to bear.

GCalltheway · 31/05/2023 20:31

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 20:26

I don't feel I can anymore. What would I even say?

Honestly, I feel so disconnected from basically everyone other than my OH now.

Op you don’t need to text or say anything. They should be texting and visiting you. You are not meant to be working out what to say! Honestly.

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 20:31

Well I don’t know, I’m sorry things are awful for you at the moment but what can they actually do?

Fair enough. Nothing really.

I just know when my best mate sends a text or we have a call I feel like I am still a bit connected to humanity, apart from my marriage.

I don't have much family now. An aunt who lives on another continent and I have a chat every few weeks and that's the extent of family closeness. So I generally feel very alone in terms of wider family and hoped that some friends would be like 'chosen family' I guess.

Obviously that's naive rubbish as far as I am concerned and honestly it's ok - I'm not interested in chasing people who don't want to spend time with me because I'm weird and tragic now in my grief, while they have their happy successful lives. They don't want to know and I respect that.

However it does still hurt for now.

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Famzonhol · 31/05/2023 20:32

My friend’s brother, to whom she was very close, died tragically a few years back. She later met a woman she saw as a friend who was quite casual and dismissive of her loss and clearly thought she should be over it.

My friend viewed it this way: this woman wasn’t being intentionally unkind. She had never had the relationship with her own brother that my friend had with hers. She simply didn’t understand the loss because she wouldn’t have grieved her own brother that way. And I think my friend was right.

amiaworthlessweirdo · 31/05/2023 20:34

Threeboysadogandacat · 31/05/2023 20:31

I think times have changed. Dh lost his son recently. We got three cards and one of those was from my sister. However there were dozens of messages on his Facebook page with his friends typing the sort of sentiments that would have once been written in a card. I think this is just what they do now. Lack of cards and peoples bad manners in no way reflect on you. Take care of yourself. It’s almost 11 years since my mum died and there’s not a day I don’t think of her. It’s a hard loss to bear.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your DH's son, I can't fathom how painful it must be to lose a child.

I did not get any messages. It's not about cards it's that nobody sent anything.

My situation is not just a reflection of the modern times we're in.

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TheMamaYo · 31/05/2023 20:34

I’m so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how devastating it must be for you.

OP, it’s not you. It’s them. I work with bereavement day in and day out, we normally pick up the pieces. And I can honestly say your story is unfortunately so normal.

People get very uncomfortable around grief, not knowing what to say or do. They hope their silence won’t be noticed, and often assume you are inundated with support. Please don’t take this personally.

Haralambus · 31/05/2023 20:40

I’m so sorry for your loss.
The same happened to me when my mum died. Friends were flaky or absent or awkward so avoided mentioning it. This completely devastating thing happens that changes you and your life and the people who you thought would be there for you are not. It really hurts and I’m sorry that you’re having to go through this.
What I would say is try not to dwell on it if you possibly can. Some people haven’t experienced bereavement and can’t quite understand what to do or say. It’s crap and it’s disappointing and you’re allowed to feel upset but if at all possible, focus on the people who are there for you and take each day as it comes. It’s a long healing process and this kind of insensitive behaviour is more common than we’d like to think.
Sending best wishes x

oakleaffy · 31/05/2023 20:41

TheMamaYo · 31/05/2023 20:34

I’m so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how devastating it must be for you.

OP, it’s not you. It’s them. I work with bereavement day in and day out, we normally pick up the pieces. And I can honestly say your story is unfortunately so normal.

People get very uncomfortable around grief, not knowing what to say or do. They hope their silence won’t be noticed, and often assume you are inundated with support. Please don’t take this personally.

That is very true.

Grief is a ''Four letter word'' that dare not mention it's name-
@amiaworthlessweirdo
A book I found extremely helpful when going through a couple of losses was
''You'll get over it'' by Virginia ironside.

It really helped put grief and my feelings of unreality into perspective.

Don't be put off by the title.. That was the phrase Virginia had said to her when her father died.

''Oh well, you'll get over it''

{Read the reviews}

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Youll-Get-Over-Rage-Bereavement/dp/0140236082