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To spread awareness of the toxicity of plastic grass?

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DataNotLore · 28/05/2023 16:46

Here: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35948114/#:~:text=Numerous%20studies%20have%20shown%20that,%2C%20mutagens%2C%20and%20endocrine%20disruptors.

Not only is it bad for the environment but it's probably bad for your health too.

The issues are still being investigated, but:

"Numerous studies have shown that chemicals identified in artificial turf, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), phthalates, and per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), are known carcinogens, neurotoxicants, mutagens, and endocrine disruptors."

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Retrain12345 · 29/05/2023 17:14

We have a tiny square in our dog run and I hate it. It looks crap and stinks!!!

The rest of our half an acre is wildflower, wild grasses left long and native hedge with plenty of very mature trees. We also have a small pond. It’s amazing how much wildlife lives there compared to the plastic crap. We have foxes at the bottom of the garden plus rabbits, loads of mice/voles/shrews, a very annoying mole, a couple of bee hives and other things.

The field next door was bought and had a housing estate shoved on it. Not one patch of life remains for artificial grass and houses. All of the wildlife that lived there is now gone. It’s fine though because the people can have a huge glass house with mud free white flooring, plastic grass and a chihuahua or two 🤦‍♀️

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 17:15

Simpsonn · 29/05/2023 16:05

You must lead a very sheltered life if you think thats 'diabolical ' 😂😂😂😂😂

You think? I do think it is pretty fucking diabolical to have a 'fuck you' attitude to nature and the environment yes. Not sure what's so fucking hilarious?

FFS. 😡

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 17:17

Retrain12345 · 29/05/2023 17:14

We have a tiny square in our dog run and I hate it. It looks crap and stinks!!!

The rest of our half an acre is wildflower, wild grasses left long and native hedge with plenty of very mature trees. We also have a small pond. It’s amazing how much wildlife lives there compared to the plastic crap. We have foxes at the bottom of the garden plus rabbits, loads of mice/voles/shrews, a very annoying mole, a couple of bee hives and other things.

The field next door was bought and had a housing estate shoved on it. Not one patch of life remains for artificial grass and houses. All of the wildlife that lived there is now gone. It’s fine though because the people can have a huge glass house with mud free white flooring, plastic grass and a chihuahua or two 🤦‍♀️

So bloody sad. It's happening where we are too - very rural and plenty of brownfield sites to build on but they are destroying the fields and the wildlife as I suspect it's cheaper for the developers. When it's gone, it's gone forever.

stbrandonsboat · 29/05/2023 17:31

The future is everyone sitting on their plastic sofas, drinking brightly coloured liquid out of plastic glasses through plastic straws, watching Love Island and wearing plastic fake eyelashes and filled with silicone boob fillers whilst microplastics travel down the umbilical cords to their not yet plastic unborn babies. All greenery, trees, plants, flowers, insects and animals will be deemed to be primitive and unworthy and will be cut down, cleared and killed wherever it occurs. Rivers will be filled with little plastic ducks which will travel out to sea and be eaten by hapless sea creatures which will then be eaten by larger hapless sea creatures which will wash up dead upon plastic covered beaches where the silicone boob people go to sunbathe.

The future is bright, shiny, plastic and dead and I'll be glad to be dead so I don't have to see it.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 17:36

This is how I feel too. The future is looking really, really grim.

Freshair1 · 29/05/2023 17:47

You'd have to be an extremely ignorant prat if astro turf or its like is in your garden.

WhatNoRaisins · 29/05/2023 17:53

People like a quick fix too much. I admit I do want to get rid of our front lawn as it's a PITA dragging the lawnmower through the house and it's not like we sit out on it.

BogRollBOGOF · 29/05/2023 18:00

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 15:56

A whole new housing estate with outside plastic carpet. Dreadful.

https://twitter.com/BenGoldsmith/status/1637080723881336835

That estate epitomises a much bigger problem- developments with everything shoehorned in so that gardens will struggle to be much more than biological wastelands anyway. These are 4 bed houses so targeted at families and to enable space to play, there just isn't the room for some of the alternative suggestions like wild flower meadows (great for managing maintainence larger plots) or shrubby, multi layered planting.

Lawns often struggle on estates like this because of poor drainage not helped by profit-focused developers compacting the soil and burying the rubble. Then they're so small and exposed that they either struggle with lack of shade or lack of sun and have no space to zone them. I'd love gardens to have to be more proportionate to house sizes, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

Most people resort to artificial grass as a response to a problem. My elderly neighbours installed it a number of years ago as health and mobility began failing. They've kept the rest of the densely planted borders, shrubs and trees which only need maintaining a couple of times a year which is practical/ affordable to delegate out. They still wanted to look at a green open space and I can't begrudge them that.

Gravel/ bark can work as alternatives (gravel with planting will be my preference when I sort out our shady, mud-fest front garden) but they are often not disability friendly particularly when walking aids or wheelchairs are involved.

Goady snobbery is not the answer. Sensible discussion of alternative solutions is more productive than being insulting and dismissive of practical problems and limitations.

SoupDragon · 29/05/2023 18:02

Simpsonn · 29/05/2023 16:10

The grass needs lots of consistent sun on it to dry all the way to the ground. So that rules it out in the morning. Then still damp in areas later in the day.

That combined with having it mowed in conjunction of wanting to use it, means it's rarely used.

2 times since we moved in.

I have grass. Lots of it. I've no idea what you're on about. I was out in my garden at 9am this morning (not wet).

You must live somewhere with really shit weather if you've only been out in your garden twice in two years because it's "too wet".

BogRollBOGOF · 29/05/2023 18:02

And there's plenty of daisies, buttercups, violets and primroses in my lawn to compensate for my sympathy to my neighbours.

Immaculate lawns aren't automatically a great wildlife haven (but yes, better than impermeable surfaces)

Retrain12345 · 29/05/2023 18:14

A huge amount of my lawn is clover- it’s brilliant! Much hardier than grass plus does not need mowed and has pretty flowers.

Another alternative to awful plastic.

stbrandonsboat · 29/05/2023 18:20

Or look at small Japanese style gardens which typically have only a few specimen plants/shrubs and rely on gravel and rocks to create interest.

faffadoodledo · 29/05/2023 18:52

https://www.housebeautiful.com/uk/garden/designs/a44016888/chelsea-flower-show-2023-chris-beardshaw-myeloma-garden/ Chris Beardshaw's garden had good hard landscaping planting - slabs and things growing amount. It was lovely and could be done on a bigger scale. You don't see traditional lawns at chelsea, but there was lots of wild and wildflower planting

RHS Chelsea: Inside Chris Beardshaw's Myeloma UK Garden

Take a tour...

https://www.housebeautiful.com/uk/garden/designs/a44016888/chelsea-flower-show-2023-chris-beardshaw-myeloma-garden

FourFoxSake · 29/05/2023 19:15

I agree about the need to talk about real solutions to problems.

But I also don't accept the narrative that a new build or north facing garden automatically means you have to out astro down to get a usable space outside. Or that lawns take much maintenance.

I have a small, poor drainage, new build, north facing garden - with a 3 storey house that shades it most the day and with a large dog that pees regularly on the lawn.

Despite all this, the lawn is genuinely the easy bit to care for - taking about 20 mins a week to to cut it. (The borders require much ore care.) An alternative to cutting it myself would be robotic mower. That really would be zero maintenance.

To spread awareness of the toxicity of plastic grass?
TheHandmaiden · 29/05/2023 19:19

Your garden looks great! And much better than plastic

JMSA · 29/05/2023 19:19

I don't have it and nor will I, but fuck me, grass is a pain in the arse.
My ideal is a small courtyard with nice potted plants and flowers. Not a blade of grass in sight.

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 19:20

@FourFoxSake Your garden is gorgeous, love it

DollyTrolly · 29/05/2023 19:33

In my experience the demographic that gets plastic grass, is totally different to the demographic that owns or installs a log burner.

Not true .....

DollyTrolly · 29/05/2023 19:34

Honestly, the judgment on this thread is off the scale.
Peak MN 😂

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 19:59

Happy to admit that I judge people who don't give a shit about nature. I feel the same about litter droppers.

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 20:07

Lovely looking garden @FourFoxSake.

You've taken a soulless new build garden and made it into areal garden

DreamCatcherTheThird · 29/05/2023 20:08

TheHandmaiden · 29/05/2023 15:58

@DataNotLore - my strong suspicion is that the claim of lots of pots and plastic grass doesn't happen. I reckon it's plastic grass and plastic chair at best.

FFS - this thread is like the school playground - Mnet at its best. A bitch fest.

stbrandonsboat · 29/05/2023 20:10

Don't like being judged and bitched about? Don't buy plastic grass. Easy innit?

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