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Holly willoboughly

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midnightblue12 · 27/05/2023 21:03

Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

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Fuckitydoodah · 28/05/2023 06:54

Mirabai · 27/05/2023 21:31

Women have to work with arseholes all the time. If we all had to fall on our sword every time we had to work with one half of us would be out of a job.

He enabled himself. No woman is responsible for his behaviour. Only him.

This.

I imagine back then he still wielded a lot of power at ITV. Look what happened to Eammon and Ruth.

Holly didn't make him groom and then have sex with the young man. Schofield is responsible for his behaviour, no one else.

newnamethanks · 28/05/2023 06:55

I'm alarmed by the witch hunt. PS and HW both irritate me and I haven't watched This Morning since Richard and Judy left. Schofield has behaved badly and been sacked. But I thought lying is now the acceptable face of public life? 60 MPs are currently being investigated for an assortment of bad behaviour, all of whom have insisted 'not me guv'. And look at Johnson, a man to whom truth is a complete stranger, still lauded by many. Madness.

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:14

Does anybody really give a shit that PS is gay?
I just don’t like being lied to and being gaslit and manipulated . It’s all so fucking obvious that he was an arsehole (not connected to him being gay) Are there really people (HW) who are worth millions who are prepared to turn a blind eye to child grooming just to keep their job? Just come out and be honest! Fucking awful people all of them - frizell doesn’t come out of this well either.
People who are saying move on are child grooming apologists.

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:17

newnamethanks · 28/05/2023 06:55

I'm alarmed by the witch hunt. PS and HW both irritate me and I haven't watched This Morning since Richard and Judy left. Schofield has behaved badly and been sacked. But I thought lying is now the acceptable face of public life? 60 MPs are currently being investigated for an assortment of bad behaviour, all of whom have insisted 'not me guv'. And look at Johnson, a man to whom truth is a complete stranger, still lauded by many. Madness.

Why do we (the public) tolerate this? Why do we accept that we are lied to? Why do we accept that young people aren’t protected and the young and the vulnerable are ripe for abuse?

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:20

Fuckitydoodah · 28/05/2023 06:54

This.

I imagine back then he still wielded a lot of power at ITV. Look what happened to Eammon and Ruth.

Holly didn't make him groom and then have sex with the young man. Schofield is responsible for his behaviour, no one else.

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I think this is why I am so pissed off. I don’t watch this morning (I am at work) but I am so fucked off with this kind shit that gets excused all the time and I am culpable too because I need my job so you can only speak up so much before risking a mark against your name

Aprilx · 28/05/2023 07:23

TeaKitten · 27/05/2023 21:19

Even if she did no that he’s a creep, it was common knowledge and ITV wouldn’t act on it, so what was she suppose to do? Throw away her career and ability to feed her kids? And what would that have achieved? What exactly was her crime? If everyone at itv new why not shut down the channel rather than blaming one woman?

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Well could she have done what she did do in the end when the really bad press started. She made sure she distanced herself then and I have read she did say it was him or her. And no need to be so dramatic about “feeding her kids”. 🙄

ProfessorXtra · 28/05/2023 07:31

newnamethanks · 28/05/2023 06:55

I'm alarmed by the witch hunt. PS and HW both irritate me and I haven't watched This Morning since Richard and Judy left. Schofield has behaved badly and been sacked. But I thought lying is now the acceptable face of public life? 60 MPs are currently being investigated for an assortment of bad behaviour, all of whom have insisted 'not me guv'. And look at Johnson, a man to whom truth is a complete stranger, still lauded by many. Madness.

PS is still lauded by many.

My friend sent me a screen shot of a TM fan page with people making excuses and saying it’s all down to homophobia.

They are totally ignoring the fact he only came out to try and take the focus of the fact that he groomed a child. So that he could refute any gossip with ‘oh it’s homophobia’.

We know MPs lie. That doesn’t make PS grooming a child ok.

TeaKitten · 28/05/2023 07:33

Aprilx · 28/05/2023 07:23

Well could she have done what she did do in the end when the really bad press started. She made sure she distanced herself then and I have read she did say it was him or her. And no need to be so dramatic about “feeding her kids”. 🙄

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It’s not dramatic… people work to earn money at the end of the day. The media love blaming the closest woman for any males wrong doings and it does a great job of distracting from what this man did wrong. Enjoy your witch hunt.

WheresSpring · 28/05/2023 07:36

Nope, he’d told her there was no affair so even if she had suspicions what exactly could she have done when itv said they’d already investigated?…. She shouldn’t be held accountable for his bad behaviour.
Interestingly, from PS statements today it seems that he originally lied because the young man in question didn’t want to be outed so they chose that course of action. Whilst he has behaved badly in having the affair in the first place I can see a plausible reason for him choosing to lie about it if this was the case.

Murdoch1949 · 28/05/2023 07:41

They all suspected something, but couldn't prove it. A couple of years ago the young man got drunk at an awards show they were all at, and declared his love for Schofield, this didn't cause any of them - Willoughby, Frizzell, other ITV bosses who were all there - to do anything. After this, Schofield came out on the show, as he thought young man would go to press, cue hugs and tears. So they knew, but decided to let it go and hope it would blow over. Then the Queen's laying in state issue, Schofield's brother being in court etc etc and Willoughby is feeling ambushed. Maybe then she felt that she'd been made a mug of. Obviously the media hacks knew all about his affair and we're ready in waiting to pounce, so again Schofield had to issue further statements. He's finished, but there are others that colluded with him over this. I couldn't care less what he did with this very young man after he was 18, except it was an abuse of his power on the TV show. That it was known by others on the show is a dereliction of their duty to their employees. Wootton, vile man, has said the young man is mentally fragile due to this debacle. That's who we should be concerned with, a groomed boy.

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 07:42

TeaKitten · 28/05/2023 07:33

It’s not dramatic… people work to earn money at the end of the day. The media love blaming the closest woman for any males wrong doings and it does a great job of distracting from what this man did wrong. Enjoy your witch hunt.

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Can you name some high profile women the media has blamed for men’s crimes? Just a top 10 would be interesting to read.

User1529865 · 28/05/2023 07:44

A couple of years ago the young man got drunk at an awards show they were all at, and declared his love for Schofield, this didn't cause any of them - Willoughby, Frizzell, other ITV bosses who were all there - to do anything.

But what would they do if the young man was in his 20s at the time apart from think, oh his poor wife.

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:45

Murdoch1949 · 28/05/2023 07:41

They all suspected something, but couldn't prove it. A couple of years ago the young man got drunk at an awards show they were all at, and declared his love for Schofield, this didn't cause any of them - Willoughby, Frizzell, other ITV bosses who were all there - to do anything. After this, Schofield came out on the show, as he thought young man would go to press, cue hugs and tears. So they knew, but decided to let it go and hope it would blow over. Then the Queen's laying in state issue, Schofield's brother being in court etc etc and Willoughby is feeling ambushed. Maybe then she felt that she'd been made a mug of. Obviously the media hacks knew all about his affair and we're ready in waiting to pounce, so again Schofield had to issue further statements. He's finished, but there are others that colluded with him over this. I couldn't care less what he did with this very young man after he was 18, except it was an abuse of his power on the TV show. That it was known by others on the show is a dereliction of their duty to their employees. Wootton, vile man, has said the young man is mentally fragile due to this debacle. That's who we should be concerned with, a groomed boy.

Hang on you couldn’t care less what PS did with a teenager once he turned 18?
I am a brownie and guide leader - is it ok for me to groom and and have sex as long as I wait until their birthday were they ‘become legal’?
What the hell?

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 07:49

WheresSpring · 28/05/2023 07:36

Nope, he’d told her there was no affair so even if she had suspicions what exactly could she have done when itv said they’d already investigated?…. She shouldn’t be held accountable for his bad behaviour.
Interestingly, from PS statements today it seems that he originally lied because the young man in question didn’t want to be outed so they chose that course of action. Whilst he has behaved badly in having the affair in the first place I can see a plausible reason for him choosing to lie about it if this was the case.

What do you mean ‘be held accountable’?

is there any evidence of an ITV investigation into her? No? What would they be investigating anyway?

Of is it just the typical case of a popular tv presenter who no longer connects with her audience, they are switching off and having a gossip about her online?

if it’s the second one then I fail to see how that’s holding anyone accountable. I doubt PS victim feels any better or feels justice is being done because someone said something nasty about Holly on a parenting forum.

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:52

Namechanger1002 · 28/05/2023 07:45

Hang on you couldn’t care less what PS did with a teenager once he turned 18?
I am a brownie and guide leader - is it ok for me to groom and and have sex as long as I wait until their birthday were they ‘become legal’?
What the hell?

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Sorry I think was a bit harsh there.
I am just so sick of people (gay or hetro) taking advantage of teenagers and the media covering it up. I didn’t mean to sound like a wanker to you though.
Maybe I am sensitive to it because my 18yr old DD went out clubbing for the first time last night and came home early because a man in his 30’s or 40’s with a wedding ring on tried to kiss her and everybody around her was taking coke. So I am possibly projecting 🙈 I am sorry

Lollypop6 · 28/05/2023 07:53

She probably did know as it seems other work colleagues did. Maybe she chose to believe Phillip. Either way I think this morning needs to have a overhaul of staff and start again. I’m pretty sure whoever the young man is, he will sell his story at some point.

Newmumatlast · 28/05/2023 07:53

TeaKitten · 27/05/2023 21:12

If it’s common knowledge then why’s it her fault? If ITV new and didn’t want to act… how is it her fault? What did you want her to realistically do?

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People can choose whether they work with someone or not. If they cannot choose by convincing the network, they can choose not to take the work. But people want to make money and often put money first. Thats why so many other open secrets go untold publicly/arent acted properly upon. I'm not saying that is what happened here as I couldn't possibly know. But it does seem from what other people in the industry are saying that it was known and therefore hard to see how she didn't know. It would be wrong to just blame her though. He is the one responsible for his actions. Her responsibility would extend to her choice of association if she knew/failure to flag it. Same with others in the industry. Anyone saying it was known needs to ask themselves what they did.

Backtothegym · 28/05/2023 07:54

The fail is still at it and hinting at where they are going with thr “15” headline. There is more to come on this. And they won’t let got until they get there.

I feel a bit for holly, what did people expect her to do even if she did strongly suspect, give up her job, which would be all her itv work, on a suspicion and rumour that Philip denied and him and M both denied during the itv investigation?

and those saying that’s why others went, that’s not the whole story at all. Especially with Eamonn. Not one of them publicly stated anything other than he was an arse.

I don’t blame holly for staying, why should she give up her career for him, it’s all too easy say well I’d go. Sure you would. It’s that easy to quit due ti a rumour and denial

Wellthatwasodd · 28/05/2023 07:55

The thing is, morally she did wrong, but it wasn’t her job to deal with it. She may even have had some kind of NDA in her contact. However the ITV bosses and HR staff should have dealt with it as it was their actual job to do so.

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midnightblue12 · 28/05/2023 07:56

Backtothegym · 28/05/2023 07:54

The fail is still at it and hinting at where they are going with thr “15” headline. There is more to come on this. And they won’t let got until they get there.

I feel a bit for holly, what did people expect her to do even if she did strongly suspect, give up her job, which would be all her itv work, on a suspicion and rumour that Philip denied and him and M both denied during the itv investigation?

and those saying that’s why others went, that’s not the whole story at all. Especially with Eamonn. Not one of them publicly stated anything other than he was an arse.

I don’t blame holly for staying, why should she give up her career for him, it’s all too easy say well I’d go. Sure you would. It’s that easy to quit due ti a rumour and denial

Yeah I totally agree with this!!!

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Wishawisha · 28/05/2023 08:00

OctoberLeaves · 28/05/2023 04:16

I have never watched This Morning in my life, yet I knew.

It’s really inconceivable that she didn’t!

Yes exactly. And not just HW, everyone at ITV who are apparently so shocked and appalled.

I’ve never watched it and am a nobody and even I’ve known for a year or two.

I don’t want to pass judgement because I think there’s likely still more to come out. The question has to be exactly what the Daily Mail has too… making his statement through them is a huge thing to do. They obviously have a lot of leverage left.

User1529865 · 28/05/2023 08:01

Daily Mail must be loving it, all these clicks from Mumsnetters that usually say that it is rubbish and not to be believed and certainly wouldn't be reading any of it. They are all clicking on it now.

Wishawisha · 28/05/2023 08:08

Backtothegym · 28/05/2023 07:54

The fail is still at it and hinting at where they are going with thr “15” headline. There is more to come on this. And they won’t let got until they get there.

I feel a bit for holly, what did people expect her to do even if she did strongly suspect, give up her job, which would be all her itv work, on a suspicion and rumour that Philip denied and him and M both denied during the itv investigation?

and those saying that’s why others went, that’s not the whole story at all. Especially with Eamonn. Not one of them publicly stated anything other than he was an arse.

I don’t blame holly for staying, why should she give up her career for him, it’s all too easy say well I’d go. Sure you would. It’s that easy to quit due ti a rumour and denial

Yes the DM has a lot more.

Eamon and Ruth couldn’t have said anything though could they? If the injunction part is true. All anyone that disagreed with his conduct could do it talk about him being oh so rude or make a mountain out of a molehill about the queue jumping.

I agree that it’s not HW’s place to lose her job over it necessarily though. If the ITV bosses could stay why couldn’t she? Why is she responsible?

I want to wait and see what else emerges on this but they all need to stop lying and making out they had NO IDEA and are TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY SHOCKED.

Soothingaftersun · 28/05/2023 08:10

Thinking back to the 'coming out' interview ' its all a bit cringe now that the truth is finally public knowledge.

Especially the 'nobody has forced your hand' bit which was obviously a complete load of bollocks.

Holly's reputation has been tainted by her close association and sticking up for him all these years when there's no way she could not have known.

But I see what you mean OP and Holly is not responsible for his actions. There is no other strategy for her other than to deny all knowledge and sit it out.

Seabreeze18 · 28/05/2023 08:11

I find it seriously upsetting that people blame hw for ps behaviour. How many people have a cheating partner that they know nothing about but everyone else thinks is obvious?
she may have asked him and took him at face value when he lied to her about it. We do tend to trust people we consider as friends.