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Any Lawyers here? Need a legal Perspective on the world’s most ridiculous scenario

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Thisisastupidscenario · 23/05/2023 23:14

So in this hypothetical situation… which I’m aware is ridiculous.

If an individual with an axe to grind was to approach the HR department of a company or the company in general (a large international company that has large customers) and make some allegations against an employee (namely that they’ve lied about their qualifications, despite fairly rigorous onboarding). Would or could that company sue that individual with an axe to grind for several million (maybe billion, and this is just an average joe here) for fraud and reputation damage?

to me it sounds like utter dog poo. But I’m not a sharp legal kind.

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SafeguardingSocialWorker · 25/05/2023 21:42

Also his name, if you havent used an alias for him in your phone, is quite visible on one of the screenshots.

Can understand why googling him may not be helpful with a name like that. Lots of articles about the famous morally dubious person with the same name.

Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 21:57

SafeguardingSocialWorker · 25/05/2023 21:42

Also his name, if you havent used an alias for him in your phone, is quite visible on one of the screenshots.

Can understand why googling him may not be helpful with a name like that. Lots of articles about the famous morally dubious person with the same name.

Oops, would be shame for him to be outed… shall report to MN

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JudgeRudy · 25/05/2023 22:37

Yes, I was a bit lazy there....and hungry. Post dinner I've caught up. No I would not have imagined this was the story. There are some very odd people about...
Funnily enough I spoke to someone at work today who claimed to have sold a road kill badger to a Chinese restaurant for £50....which would be harder to disprove.
This person sounds like he has a mental illness.

Mamanyt · 25/05/2023 22:55

DPotter · 23/05/2023 23:25

The company couldn't sue as it's not their reputation being attacked. And I have a feeling companies, corporations can't sue for defamation / slander anyway.

The only person who could sue for defamation / slander would be the person accused of lying about their qualifications. In reality going to law in this type of situation is incredibly costly, way beyond the pockets of the vast majority of the public. The individual could issue a 'cease & desist' letter, but what anyone would do if the individual didn't cease or desist I don't know.

Whatever - it sounds a distressing situation to be in. Do you / the individual concerned have a union or professional body who could advise / assist / support ?

Here in the USA, corportations/companies certainly can sue, and do, for slander/defamation. Dominion Voting Systems recently won a HUGE settlement from FOX News over FOX's asserting that their voting machines could be, and were, tampered with, and Dominion allowed it. And Smartmatic, another voting machine company, is in the process of suing them now, and they, too, were named on the air. So yes.

However, the person who's reputation was imputed would have to bring suit, not the company who heard it.

Mamanyt · 25/05/2023 22:57

LOL, "corporations," NOT "corportations!" An edit button, an edit button! My kingdom for an edit button!

Lemonyfuckit · 25/05/2023 22:57

Banned4life · 24/05/2023 01:41

Absolutely not. Even it there were grounds for a claim (and there isn’t) why would a corporation spend lots of money suing an unknown individual for ‘millions’ that the individual doesn’t have?

Yes this is also an important point in debunking Walter's fantasises- aside from the actual defamation points ie they have to have a cause of action (some sort of loss to the company - which wouldn't be the case if you're just telling Walter 'I don't believe you') and if what you say actually is true, ie Walter's qualifications are indeed fabricated, then no cause - litigation is exceedingly expensive and time consuming and invariably parties don't recover what they actually spend, and the 'deep pockets' concept is real - wherever possible when a party is looking to sue they'll go after a company rather than an individual because there is zero point in suing someone for sums of money they don't possess. So the chance of a company suing you an individual for 'MILLIONS' is utterly incredible, assuming you're not actually a billionaire, because even if they in the exceedingly remote chance won their case, what would they get if you don't have millions to pay out to them? A lot of sunk legal costs.

But anyway they wouldn't have a case, so again why on earth would they bother.

CountessWindyBottom · 25/05/2023 23:08

Walter is dangerous. Not just because he could have any number of personality disorders but for his flagrant indulgence in criminal behaviour. I worked with a compulsive liar years ago and it was funny and outrageous until she started making shit up about me. She was an absolute loon. But this guy has shown himself to be not just a liar but a thief, arch manipulator and an abuser. If you can afford it I would probably go and seek some decent legal advice (his threats to sue are bullshit) on how to go about protecting you and your aging relatives from him reigning further financial or emotional damage on anyone else. I suspect one of his conditions is borderline personality disorder (although I don't believe this to be in isolation) and a hallmark of that is pathological attention seeking. For now, I would minimise contact, seek legal advice and take a longer term view, under expert guidance, as to what you can do to protect elderly relatives etc. I feel sorry for you, it's a horrid situation.

SchoolTripDrama · 26/05/2023 10:42

This ⬆️

Daffodilsandtuplips · 26/05/2023 11:17

WeAreTheHeroes · 24/05/2023 18:39

Is there actually a naval rank of Senior Lieutenant Commander? The RN website shows Lieutenant Commander, but not Senior LC.

Sorry, just catching up op. I was wondering this too.
He’s deluded, his lies will catch him out one day and he’s shitting himself that you know someone who works in the same place he does…it’s getting too close to home now hence the not so subtle threats to you.
He’s not that clever is he…Anyone in an Intelligence type role tells no one.

Airz · 26/05/2023 14:28

Thisisastupidscenario · 23/05/2023 23:14

So in this hypothetical situation… which I’m aware is ridiculous.

If an individual with an axe to grind was to approach the HR department of a company or the company in general (a large international company that has large customers) and make some allegations against an employee (namely that they’ve lied about their qualifications, despite fairly rigorous onboarding). Would or could that company sue that individual with an axe to grind for several million (maybe billion, and this is just an average joe here) for fraud and reputation damage?

to me it sounds like utter dog poo. But I’m not a sharp legal kind.

UK defamation, libel and slander law states that for a company's defamation claim to be successful, they must prove that the defamatory words or material has caused or is likely to cause significant harm to their business.

BittenontheBum · 26/05/2023 18:46

@Thisisastupidscenario if this relative didn't sound so menacing I'd be tempted to aquire a burner phone and send him cryptic M16 type mission messages 🤣🤣
But seriously, in your shoes I'd take a huge step back.
He can't sue you, The Company (can't help but see Kray type geezers) can't sue you either.
If your family are choosing to believe his bullshit sadly nothing you say will make a difference. Until they realise for themselves they've been fleeced....
Good luck, you sound like a very caring person 🌺

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