Any Lawyers here? Need a legal Perspective on the world’s most ridiculous scenario

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So in this hypothetical situation… which I’m aware is ridiculous.

If an individual with an axe to grind was to approach the HR department of a company or the company in general (a large international company that has large customers) and make some allegations against an employee (namely that they’ve lied about their qualifications, despite fairly rigorous onboarding). Would or could that company sue that individual with an axe to grind for several million (maybe billion, and this is just an average joe here) for fraud and reputation damage?

to me it sounds like utter dog poo. But I’m not a sharp legal kind.

Can't you go NC/LC with this relative? He sounds like he is more trouble than he is worth.

In terms of the company, it sounds like he is lying to you all, but possibly not to them (if he is indeed in a lower position without so many quals).

Tbh, I would leave well alone, not because you could be sued (which I doubt) but because you need to find a way of dealing with him and his ways without needing to get revenge on him. See first para.

No it doesn’t make a lot of sense because I’m trying not to out myself because there can’t be too many of these nutters in the world.

walter is a huge huge liar and it’s not the innocuous lies that don’t really hurt anyone else but yourself. The lies are used to con people or deride others or to carry out affairs (on his ex partner). The level of lie isn’t just oh I got a promotion at work or inflating a salary a bit for the brag factor, they are outlandish to the very limits of possibility. But sadly someone always seem to believe him and it ends up costing them, big time. But he is very manipulative. Others have recognised him from some other posts (I can’t really talk to anyone about this in real life because it’s so embarrassing to be related to someone like this) and it’s always something just outside of my frame of reference. These scenarios are not just for cheating people they are always an excuse to be a dick too, so not returning his elderly GM or M calls for months and then panicking and then it would turn out he’s on a secret spy mission and wasn’t permitted contact to the outside world (this legit happened) and one must go along with this bullshit

i have known Walt, his entire life, so I know his qualifications and he mine. Such as close family do. And now some, really hard ones to get have magicked up. now off the back of several fictional intelligence jobs, Walter has a snr leadership role (the type that normally doesn’t necessarily need a degree but 20+ years of experience and work place qualifications) just off the back of his fictional PhD. Now that would be one thing but it’s the same conning story starting all over again but it’s also the derision of my qualifications and my job because I’m inferior to Walter in his fantasy. Coincidentally I actually know (through a Friend of a friend) someone who works where he is claiming to be a high flier and I mentioned this to his mother and gm and then literally 3 days later this lawsuit has happened of someone ‘anonymously’ calling his company and saying he’s lied. I’ve never done that as frankly I doubt he’s lying to them, he probably does work there but in an entry level role, the lies are to people outside work and he’s worried about getting outed. Hence the ridiculous scenario

This was my strategy before and it was working, he’d call occasionally to try and rub it in by I’d grey rock him.

more recently there was some horrible incidents of an elderly relative who lives geographically close to him being harassed. And I think systematically robbed (locks picked or something , and nothing really missing but then 2 weeks later cant find an expensive piece of jewellery, then cameras put up and then cameras smashed, police have been useless as currently no ‘proof’ - I digress but hopefully you get the point. I asked Walter to go around to secure the property to be told he was flying on a private jet back from vegas with work so couldn’t, something I wouldn’t understand being so insignificant. Three things here: 1 rage because delusions being used to put me down, luckily I tempered that, 2 the level of lies to not help a vulnerable person who lives 20 mins away from you and 3 I’m actually wondering if it was him and this is a ridiculous cover story. No proof of course.

What does his LinkedIn profile say?

You can usually embellish a bit but there would be too many people in the industry to tell outright lies particularly if you work for a big company which employs a lot of people.

What a weird thing to double down on to people who know you well - what's the point in that?

Walter is clearly never going to change his behaviour. You know in your gut when he's talking shit so don't doubt yourself and always doubt him. The only thing you can do is try to protect anyone close to you from harm caused by his lies and otherwise ignore him.

I think this is his concern, hence the fabricated lawsuit and the strict instructions to not to communicate with anyone from the company or they will ‘take me down’

I’d love to screenshot it and show you, but he’s blocked me.

but you can still google it, it says the snr leadership title, and the fake quals and reams of professional qualifications but he’s not connected to anyone from the company on it.

exactly it’s so weird and the best is his alleged masters. Top london uni that has a 30k tuition fee for a taught masters… one wonders how he funded it and apparently a loan. Asked why his parents didn’t know or attend any of graduations and told he wanted to keep it private… such crap. Honestly

I remember a thread a while ago where a relative was saying he was an officer in the Navy but hadn't been to Dartmouth for training as he was a special case -is this him?

But they just don’t see it and he is so convincing, if he picked more realistic scenarios he’d be believable but they are outlandish and he does use them in some fashion to con money and do really shady things. He’s now threatening to ruin his exes life because he pressured her into doing things that could cost her her job and basically life’s work because she’s not given him a huge chunk of money. He’d do it as well, he was abusing her

you’ve got him!

OK so obviously red flags all over the place there.

The thing is, it sounds like he is lying to you, which tbh isn't a big deal from a corporate perspective. Obviously awful from a trust and faaaaamily perspective

If he has lied to his company to get his current position or is lying to clients about his role and what he does he will probably get found out eventually, particularly if it is a big company with any kind of due diligence.

I applied for mid-management positions at several big companies a few years ago and they all wanted to see my degree certificate even though I am in my 40s. I thought it was overkill but it was probably to avoid scenarios like this.

70k is a good salary but not that good, I mean certainly not private jet territory!!

Most people with doctorates don't earn massive salaries, a doctorate isn't a golden ticket to big money (quite the opposite really)

I'd just ignore him

I think he actually works there but at an entry level role as there’s no way he’d get through clearing and screening. I work for a big company and they wanted my certificates and still called the university I went to so I know it’s bs. He’s just creating a facade that this is his job. Prior to this fictional one his LinkedIn said he was a snr intelligence officer at the civil service and had been for 12 years

Sadly I know this too well as I actually have one 😫😫😫 if anything outside of the industry you’re working in it can be a blocker

I still can't believe your family are falling for his BS.

You've done what you can. Keep reiterating to your family how it doesn't add up. Stand back and let him implode.

I mean FFS, the fact that he's put 'Senior Intelligence Officer' on LinkedIn FGS - he's ridiculous

It is possible to be hired with fake qualifications.

The principal of my DC's elementary school claimed to be have a PhD. It turned out to not be the case at all. That together with faking annual reviews, favoritism, and 'borrowing' school computers all lead to her being fired.

She got through all the pre-employment checks which should have been thorough for an elementary school principal.

She got found out and she was fired because that turned out to be the tip of an iceberg in terms of her conduct. Nobody got sued either.

There was also m16 and snr lieutant commander in the Royal Navy! I really want to know if there is someone on here who works for the company but can’t becuase it’s outing and then it’s the fact he’s used those previous roles to cheat money from vulnerable people and now that an elderly relative is being harassed and things are going missing, they are finding windows open, cameras smashed, seeing someone in the shadows

He sounds like he has to lie to be the person he wants to be, then lie again when people start seeing through the lies, the tangled webs we weave.

Really the guy needs sympathy and understanding, he feels low and insecure in a tough world and this is his way of surviving. Big up his positive qualities in the hope that he pursues them more as a way of feeling secure. Don't tear him down or turn your back on him, there's only evidence of low self esteem here and that doesn't deserve the punishment of judgement or ridicule.

Hahaha, this dodgy character does not deserve sympathy or kindness.
It sounds like his lies are calculated to get people to do what he wants, to get money and sex, and to abuse them. But no, he’s just insecure :(

He’s stolen and embezzled thousands, and some of it from a dying man, but yeah shouldn’t pass judgment on that. Degrades others but yeah no judgment on that..,

A very unambitious Walter Mitty to think that £70k is a “high flying” salary!

And if you really want to trip him up as a fake Dr Mitty, go to the online catalogue of the library of the university he claims has awarded him a PhD. When you earn a PhD you are required to deposit a copy - paper or digital - in that university’s library. It won’t be in the catalogue if it doesn’t exist.

(Although I do know that this is not a watertight proof as it’s hard to prove a negative. But still …)

Exactly and then the threats him and his new partner have made against me now and my kids, granted they aren’t grounded in reality but it’s done to create fear and intimidate. No surprise he used to be physically violent.

concern is now that he’s the person harassing or stealing from this elderly relative due to how he reacted to my request to check in on them… it’s too suspicious

I recognise you from a previous thread Op!

For me 70k would be highflying, I’d feel well chuffed if I got there in the next 5 years.

he’s also not even 30 so to have crammed ba, msc with an international placement, PhD, 12 years in the civil service, time in the navy and then m16 and now this snr leadership role before 30 is quite something, especially for someone who failed their a levels and the btec, so didn’t even leave higher education until 21.

probably, there’s not too many of these guys out there, don’t link them though please, I just don’t need the abuse from him if he or his new partner stumble across my mn vents