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Any Lawyers here? Need a legal Perspective on the world’s most ridiculous scenario

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Thisisastupidscenario · 23/05/2023 23:14

So in this hypothetical situation… which I’m aware is ridiculous.

If an individual with an axe to grind was to approach the HR department of a company or the company in general (a large international company that has large customers) and make some allegations against an employee (namely that they’ve lied about their qualifications, despite fairly rigorous onboarding). Would or could that company sue that individual with an axe to grind for several million (maybe billion, and this is just an average joe here) for fraud and reputation damage?

to me it sounds like utter dog poo. But I’m not a sharp legal kind.

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BigShoutyRaven · 24/05/2023 18:50

WeAreTheHeroes · 24/05/2023 18:39

Is there actually a naval rank of Senior Lieutenant Commander? The RN website shows Lieutenant Commander, but not Senior LC.

Ah but they probably made one just for our Walter here because he's so special.

I don't envy you OP.

Thisisastupidscenario · 24/05/2023 18:50

WeAreTheHeroes · 24/05/2023 18:39

Is there actually a naval rank of Senior Lieutenant Commander? The RN website shows Lieutenant Commander, but not Senior LC.

Not sure, I think what he’s claiming he was, was a real position, I could be getting mixed up with the fact he claimed it was a senior role. But it was normally a role you need 10 years experience for, there’s a pattern here

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EnjoyingTheSilence · 24/05/2023 19:31

Wow! He must have some charisma to keep this going

LadyMary50 · 24/05/2023 19:36

I have a ‘Walter Mitty”in my family,.I will have no contact with him now or ever,for my own sanity😏

CampsieGlamper · 24/05/2023 20:18

No such rank as Senior Lieutenant commander. A lieutenant commander, would be promoted to commander if selected. Otherwise passed over and many are bitter about this.

Any commissioned officer will appear on the Navy List, available in public libraries or from HMSO publication and no doubt online. Same for Army List and Air Force List. If your names not it it, you were not!
There are groups of Walt hunters try Arsse or navy net websites who do a lot of outing of Walt's, not fearing "million pound lawsuits"

Thisisastupidscenario · 24/05/2023 20:56

Terribly outing due to my wallpaper but yolo

Any Lawyers here? Need a legal Perspective on the world’s most ridiculous scenario
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Thisisastupidscenario · 24/05/2023 20:57

^thats his explanation as to how he got into the navy

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GnomeDePlume · 24/05/2023 21:08

It's all a bit sad and pathetic if it weren't for the conning of the people around him.

Interestingly people who do this are known in the forces as Walts and are viewed with contempt. I wonder if someone spotted him and 'had a word' hence moving on to academic splendour.

Have you asked him recently how his naval career is going?

Thisisastupidscenario · 24/05/2023 21:15

GnomeDePlume · 24/05/2023 21:08

It's all a bit sad and pathetic if it weren't for the conning of the people around him.

Interestingly people who do this are known in the forces as Walts and are viewed with contempt. I wonder if someone spotted him and 'had a word' hence moving on to academic splendour.

Have you asked him recently how his naval career is going?

Let me dig out the move to m16 texts

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Thisisastupidscenario · 24/05/2023 21:19

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Withdrawn at OP's request due to identifiable information.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/05/2023 00:15

He's really a smooth operator, isn't he? A 'voice' of complete calm even when spouting bullshit that he knows is bullshit. And that he knows YOU know is bullshit. It's scary, isn't it?

Obvs you can't, but it would be sooo satisfying to create a 'Beware of Walter' webpage detailing all his BS claims, the truth of who he really is, and the stories of the people he's harmed. I think that's the worst thing about these people. They know that no one will really dare to completely expose them, either through fear of reprisals (like his poor ex) or not wanting to be ostracized for daring to air family 'dirty laundry'.

AWhaleSwamBy · 25/05/2023 06:04

He sounds like the trolls on Mumsnet where they post obviously ridiculous threads and positively enjoy peoples scepticism. He could easily have made up something that would be more believable but seems to enjoy the fact it's wi ding you up.

BuntyFayreweather · 25/05/2023 07:21

I am exhausted OP so I suspect you are too. I am following because this is so outrageous.
Is this person jealous of you? I may have got this wrong but did you state you had a PhD? Narcissistic personality disorder is very similar to sociopaths. Narcissists are controlling jealous beings, sociopaths believe no one is as talented as them!
It seems like he used the illustrious career jumps to gain cash for his forthcoming wedding? And everyone in the family chose to believe him rather than see it as defrauding a dying elderly relative. Why is he the golden child I wonder, a boy thing? Was he poorly as a child and they all pander to him?
What you mustn't allow him to do is frighten you and make you believe he can have any impact on your home and family. He is a fantasist and he can't take anything away from you. I personally would check my home insurance for legal cover (its usually for about £50k and they have help lines). Have a brief word re this possible legal case. Any solicitor would be laughing into their soup. It will make you feel better to have someone on your side IRL Lots of support for you on here. Make sure the ex gets some legal advice too.

Lonecatwithkitten · 25/05/2023 07:36

Sounds like he could be holding his lily. There are companies that transport employees by private, my husband works for a company where multiple staff travel very regularly to the same destinations. The company owns three citation and a gulf stream plane, everyone regardless of role travels by these planes because it is cheaper and more convenient for the company to travel together and precisely the best time.
In the US this is much more common as even to the regional airport can be far away so it is not uncommon for a company to hire a plane if they have a number of employees to travel together.

Twobyfour · 25/05/2023 09:01

I’m curious as to how Walter Mitty eats.

I used to work with an old boy who had been a Chief Petty Officer in the RN and he said the Navy sends its would-be officers on a “knife fork and spoon” course where they are shown the correct use of cutlery and eating various foods the correct way (you cut into a Brie cheese in a spiral from the outside not cut a 30 degree wedge)etc.

Does he shovel is good in or eat politely with posh manners?

Twobyfour · 25/05/2023 09:02

shovel his food in lol

Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 09:10

Twobyfour · 25/05/2023 09:02

shovel his food in lol

He’s never been in the navy, he’s line would be now, he was scouted for Mi6 before he started and then transitioned into the defence sector… I can’t say I’ve paid much attention to how he eats, I think just like a normal person? Not fancy but equally not like a pig at a trough?

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Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 09:11

AWhaleSwamBy · 25/05/2023 06:04

He sounds like the trolls on Mumsnet where they post obviously ridiculous threads and positively enjoy peoples scepticism. He could easily have made up something that would be more believable but seems to enjoy the fact it's wi ding you up.

I think that would be one thing, annoying and weird but ultimately harmless, it’s how he uses it though and it’s not just me he tells these things to and it’s often used to gain money and or assets from people

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Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 09:20

BuntyFayreweather · 25/05/2023 07:21

I am exhausted OP so I suspect you are too. I am following because this is so outrageous.
Is this person jealous of you? I may have got this wrong but did you state you had a PhD? Narcissistic personality disorder is very similar to sociopaths. Narcissists are controlling jealous beings, sociopaths believe no one is as talented as them!
It seems like he used the illustrious career jumps to gain cash for his forthcoming wedding? And everyone in the family chose to believe him rather than see it as defrauding a dying elderly relative. Why is he the golden child I wonder, a boy thing? Was he poorly as a child and they all pander to him?
What you mustn't allow him to do is frighten you and make you believe he can have any impact on your home and family. He is a fantasist and he can't take anything away from you. I personally would check my home insurance for legal cover (its usually for about £50k and they have help lines). Have a brief word re this possible legal case. Any solicitor would be laughing into their soup. It will make you feel better to have someone on your side IRL Lots of support for you on here. Make sure the ex gets some legal advice too.

I do have one yup. Perhaps he is painfully insecure but I do feel like the believes he’s entitled to things at whatever means necessary and the elaborate stories are oneupmanship, something he can hold over someone’s head to prove his superiority and tools to extract or gain whatever he wants out of people

oh he’s definitely a narc and how he can steal and abuse with no remorse. Even attacked a man undergoing chemo… he’s a dangerous person who’s been mollycoddled.

not excessively poorly, nothing beyond the general ills of childhood, so I think it’s got something to do with being a boy and the baby. His mother is a narc too.

i think I’ll go and see a solicitor, might be £100 but if he threatens me again I can at least put him in his place

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SchoolTripDrama · 25/05/2023 09:54

@Thisisastupidscenario semi recently he’d helped with a clear out before and was caught rifling through paper work and then several attempts were made to withdraw funds from a deceased persons bank account and he’d been asking for key personal info on that person too out of ‘curiosity’… just under the threshold for suspicious activity and just at the time he announces a fully funded by his company all American road trip that now has suddenly been cancelled. Now he’s planning on helping with another clear out… if at first you don’t succeed and all that

Why on earth didn't you go to the Police???? That's more than sufficient evidence for them to investigate fairly major fraud fgs!

Please please PLEASE do not let him do this again.

SchoolTripDrama · 25/05/2023 09:59

I don't mean any malice towards you here but far as I'm concerned, if you just stand by and allow him to do steal then you're complicit in it 🤷🏼‍♀️ The law would certainly agree

Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 10:01

SchoolTripDrama · 25/05/2023 09:54

@Thisisastupidscenario semi recently he’d helped with a clear out before and was caught rifling through paper work and then several attempts were made to withdraw funds from a deceased persons bank account and he’d been asking for key personal info on that person too out of ‘curiosity’… just under the threshold for suspicious activity and just at the time he announces a fully funded by his company all American road trip that now has suddenly been cancelled. Now he’s planning on helping with another clear out… if at first you don’t succeed and all that

Why on earth didn't you go to the Police???? That's more than sufficient evidence for them to investigate fairly major fraud fgs!

Please please PLEASE do not let him do this again.

if it was my bank then I would’ve, but it wasn’t. The person who’s bank account it was refused to believe it could be him and wouldn’t take it further, they said they’d deny it and ‘if we’re pointing fingers it could’ve been you [meaning me]’ so there’s that.

i did visit a branch for that bank, and speak to the branch manager and say I was concerned that this person is vulnerable and susceptible to fraud and to put some markers on their profile. Hopefully they didn’t think i was just a nutter

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Thisisastupidscenario · 25/05/2023 10:04

SchoolTripDrama · 25/05/2023 09:59

I don't mean any malice towards you here but far as I'm concerned, if you just stand by and allow him to do steal then you're complicit in it 🤷🏼‍♀️ The law would certainly agree

but it’s not that I’m standing by and allowing I’m to steal… or in any way facilitating him. I actually have no proof he’s done anything (and he knows it) I have an informed opinion and strong opinions but no proof and no one who it happens to is even willing to go on record and say it’s happened in the first place

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Twobyfour · 25/05/2023 10:06

So he’s James Bond (or the Milk Tray man for older Mumsnetters) with a PhD degree on top (does he use the title Dr?

He knows that you know he’s a fraudster but he’s going to continue to con money out of vulnerable relatives regardless.

In an ideal world one could go to the Police but would Action Fraud do anything…

Do you have any other relatives or n your generation who you could tell and who could also warn these vulnerable relatives, so his bullshit is more out in the open, unless of course that he would turn this against you.

ClawedButler · 25/05/2023 10:28

He's a malignant fantasist who clearly believes that everyone else is stupid. Again, reminds me very much of our family's Walter. They kept a number of damaging lies going for many years BUT it did eventually come out, and they were exposed. It hasn't stopped them, but at least several people that they conned (out of several thousand pounds) are now well aware, and won't fall for it again.

It must be so frustrating - watching people fall for his nonsense is one thing, but watching them being fleeced, blackmailed and threatened is something else. He's also clever and devious enough to cover his tracks - not to the point of being above suspicion, but above the level of evidence you'd need to prove moral wrong-doing or actual criminal activity.

I feel for you, and his poor ex.

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