Any Lawyers here? Need a legal Perspective on the world’s most ridiculous scenario

[Thisisastupidscenario]

So in this hypothetical situation… which I’m aware is ridiculous.

If an individual with an axe to grind was to approach the HR department of a company or the company in general (a large international company that has large customers) and make some allegations against an employee (namely that they’ve lied about their qualifications, despite fairly rigorous onboarding). Would or could that company sue that individual with an axe to grind for several million (maybe billion, and this is just an average joe here) for fraud and reputation damage?

to me it sounds like utter dog poo. But I’m not a sharp legal kind.

I'm exhausted and enraged for you. However I feel for your sanity and safety you should absolutely block him and don't challenge him as he will lie and lie again. I know you feel for the relative but if they will defend him to the death, there's nothing you can do. If they contact you about weird things happening, then suggest cameras. If Walter is going to their house beforehand, so be it. Step back and drop the rope. Believe me, you need to get him out of your head. I have a brother who is awful in many ways and mum will defend him regardless. You can't win taking him on.

The phd is a new one… I’d not heard this until i discovered his LinkedIn. Dh showed me.

It’s literally just me and DH, everyone else aside from Walt is old (relatively speaking over 60) and vulnerable or lives on the other side of the world. He’d turn it against me and use it to his advantage as he’s done here.

There is just no proof that an actual crime occurred because the victims won’t acknowledge that one has occurred. The relative whose bank accounts he was trying to access wrote it off as general fraud as it’s fairly prominent these days but refused to see the connection. The person who he got 50k out of died and still he got it out to them by telling them what they wanted to hear and exploiting their health and generosity- not as clear cut as actually theft breaking and entering style.
the pensioners money, they refused to go to the police and they’re now dead (natural circumstances- I feel like I have to say this as it’s almost entirely believable that he’d have killed them). The thousands in jewellery, was found in his possession, some of it given away and the person it was given too, acknowledged it was a gift from him. He claimed he bought the ring (and the other jewellery was planted on him/ in his car and under his bed) by me. The thousands he stole on credit cards was swept away, and they blamed themselves so having cards too easily accessible, you know in their wallet on the nightstand.

THIS 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@BuntyFayreweather Johnny Depp won his defamation case! 😂

@Thisisastupidscenario but it’s not that I’m standing by and allowing I’m to steal… or in any way facilitating him. I actually have no proof he’s done anything

But I'm pretty sure if you went to the police and said "Look, I have good reason to believe that this man has defrauded & embezzled upwards of £50k from both a vulnerable relative, alongside others" I'm pretty certain that the Police would take it seriously. The vulnerable relative doesn't need to be on board necessarily, the Police can still investigate it!

@Thisisastupidscenario Wait, they 'justified' their son/grandson/nephew stealing their credit cards, because they were "too easily accessible?!?!?!" That's beyond delusional! No disrespect but if they're THAT blinkered then they're bound to be taken advantage of! Wow.

You need to report him to Action Fraud and the Police and then do what @AcrossthePond55 said

Yes, this is what I’m dealing with and you won’t even believe the type of shit he was buying with them… (an array of d’amour wizard’s collector wands) being one.

same justification for jewellery lying around that was pinched

Why the hell did my phone correct famous you d’amour fgs 😂😂😂

to d’amour …
i give up lol

@SchoolTripDrama my mistake.

Sorry?

I meant I thought he lost. Lots on my mind at the moment. Home on sick leave.

Sadly people do hide frauds carried out on them by family members. FOG writ large. Nobody wants to be the first one to break rank and say that X is a liar and a cheat.

You see the same where families stand by relatives who have committed heinous crimes. It is the victims who are blamed and cast out.

This is so true. FOG and a misbegotten sense of shame that someone from their family could behave so heinously. Better to hide it and cover it than shine a light on it. After all, what would the neighbours say?

^^

I know this whole scenario is not really funny, but I did spend way too long trying to figure out what d'amour wizard wands are - I thought "oooh, they sound cool" 😆🤣

On a serious note, you've been through this for years and you're getting nowhere. I really think you need to go NC, and if your family members (parents?) aren't willing to see the truth that's their issue. Not only at they unwilling to see the truth, they're actually threatening you in the process (if you tell the police we'll deny everything, and say it could easily have been you) - that cannot be good for your MH.
I too remember your previous thread, there's nothing to be done here but go full NC.

Amour wizard wands… it sounds like something ann summers or love honey might sell… 😂😂😂😂

They could try but I doubt they would succeed and any solicitor would tell them that .

I’m assuming his lifestyle doesn’t match his salary if he’s actually on a lower salary? Does nobody else find that odd. Also senior company personnel tend to be searchable on a company’s website…..if he isn’t then that’s also another red flag. Is it a sibling?

We don’t actually know his lifestyle, plus there’s the sums of money he’s liberated from other people. He was very financially irresponsible when he lived with his parents, he’d got into debt over several unpaid phone contracts and subscriptions, it had gone up into the thousands. I don’t know but I imagine he lives like Anna Delvey

And by that I mean, running up lines of credit and then getting others to pay it off ^

Ooh, I wanna know more. Here's my take. If the axegrinder accuses the company of having shit checks in place to ensure the staff they recruit are of a minimum standard (eg qualified)....and it's true...then no, of course they can't sue.
I do wonder if the axegrinder is also the fraudulent employee. They've got 'found out' and are now saying 'well it's your own fault for employing me without due diligence'. Did the employee mislead or lie?

Walter sounds deluded and anyone believing him gullible.

Assuming you are in the UK, senior leadership roles in large companies pay far more than 70k. They also don't get flown around in private Jets - the vast majority of CEO's don't travel by private jet.

As for a claim against you for millions..... the company have no cause of action, there is no claim. Walter would be the only person with a cause of action but only if the information being provided about his is untrue. As you haven't provided any information there is no claim without even considering whether the information (not) provided is true.

For arguments sake let's say that Walter could prove you maliciously provided untrue information to his employer, what is his loss? He hasn't lost his job (and wouldn't unless the employer found he did lie), no reputational damage or financial loss as far as what you have said.

not in an arsey way, but click see all from the OP. I can guarantee you this thread hasn’t gone the way you imagined

If you feel a relative is being conned and financially abused could you refer to the local SS adult safeguarding team?

If this came across my desk as a social worker in a safeguarding team I would be very very interested.

I know from experience these people walk amongst us.