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Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

930 replies

lastminutepanicking · 22/05/2023 17:03

I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

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TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 22:23

Come on, this is tragic.

And Lord Falconer is a competent lawyer, unlike Suella.

jgw1 · 23/05/2023 22:24

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:21

pointythings
just to pick you up on a point: Labour is not opposed to private schools

This is odd then;
Falconer applied to be the Labour candidate for the safe seat of Dudley North ahead of the 1997 general election, but he "fluffed" his interview with the Labour constituency committee by refusing to take his four children out of public schools.

It certainly is odd posting things about something that happened more than 25 years ago, but making no comment about the topic in the OP.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:27

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel

I quite like Priti Patel myself.

It's been reported in the Guardian that the Cabinet have to get civil servants to fact check Braverman's briefings because they are inaccurate when she speaks to her colleagues.

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 22:30

There are plenty of competent female lawyers in the Tory party with small children. No one gets a free pass at work with small kids - particularly women.

No, she's bad at her job - nothing to do with her kids.

jgw1 · 23/05/2023 22:35

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:27

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel

I quite like Priti Patel myself.

It's been reported in the Guardian that the Cabinet have to get civil servants to fact check Braverman's briefings because they are inaccurate when she speaks to her colleagues.

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

Are you suggesting that Suella's fellow NatCs are basing their dislike of women having jobs on her?

Notonthestairs · 23/05/2023 22:35

Are you suggesting that Braverman includes inaccuracies in papers because she is a working parent?
I doubt she'd thank you for that.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:39

jgw1
It certainly is odd posting things about something that happened more than 25 years ago, but making no comment about the topic in the OP

You specifically asked for "something to distract us with" - Lord Falconer was appointed Shadow Attorney General in April 2020 (until November 2021). I found it interesting that Labour's last three Shadow Attorney Generals all chose selective/private education for their children. There are several comments about Braverman thinking she is 'special' and 'attempting to find a way round the system used by everyone else'.

ChrisPNoodles · 23/05/2023 22:42

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

The same article states, "There was no such similar problem when her predecessor, Priti Patel, ran the Home Office, the Guardian was told."

Priti Patel is also a working mother.

IClaudine · 23/05/2023 22:46

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four

Why would that excuse her from doing her job properly? Do you think there are no civil servants who are also working mothers?

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 22:47

Of course it ironic that Cruella won't get sympathy because she absolutely refuses to extend it to anyone else.

People are unkind about her because she is unkind and entitled. There are many lawyers in the Tory Party better than her, but they won't do what she does, and she's been kept on because of her involvement with the ERG. I'm sure Sunak wants rid of her but basically he needs lots of stuff to do it with as with Raab (who was far worse in terms of behaviour towards the Civil Service).

Once the ERG looks dead or she's made such a mess that she doesn't look in any way credible then he will drop her immediately.

Cautious man, Sunak.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:54

Do you think there are no civil servants who are also working mothers?

Mostly 'working' from home by the sounds of it.

newnamethanks · 23/05/2023 22:56

I agree Handmaiden, he's stuck with her and crossing fingers that she'll screw up so spectacularly that 'with regret, Sue Ellen, you're fired'. Meanwhile, we're stuck with her too.

IClaudine · 23/05/2023 23:46

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:54

Do you think there are no civil servants who are also working mothers?

Mostly 'working' from home by the sounds of it.

Oh dear. Is that the best you can do?

Asiatoyork · 24/05/2023 00:53

Not really - it depends on the purpose of her submission. Equally valid quotes here (including from the secret barrister and one of the lawyers quoted in your post above):
"... or an attempt at political point scoring"
"It is aimed at garnering media headlines"

oh well, that’s a much better account of her character then. Barrels, scraping etc spring to mind

countrygirl99 · 24/05/2023 02:11

Interesting that the criticism of Faulkener doesn't involve anything illegal or against the ministerial code.

jgw1 · 24/05/2023 05:29

ChrisPNoodles · 23/05/2023 22:42

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

The same article states, "There was no such similar problem when her predecessor, Priti Patel, ran the Home Office, the Guardian was told."

Priti Patel is also a working mother.

But was Lord Falconer a working mother?

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2023 06:42

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:27

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel

I quite like Priti Patel myself.

It's been reported in the Guardian that the Cabinet have to get civil servants to fact check Braverman's briefings because they are inaccurate when she speaks to her colleagues.

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

No surprise there..... Patel was sacked for breaking the Ministerial Code, then bought back in & whilst HS and in Govt, did nothing to stop so called dependents and people smuggling via non existent degrees & false "skilled" worker visas, so being another idiot HS was a shoe in for Braverman.

Yet more incompetence from this Govt of failures who have sat back as almost 1m additional people have come into the UK, in just 12months, for no good reason and who, unlike EU citizens, will never return, with many ending up in the asylum system.....

"....but Labour..." is your only response, pathetic.

itsgettingweird · 24/05/2023 07:36

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:27

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel

I quite like Priti Patel myself.

It's been reported in the Guardian that the Cabinet have to get civil servants to fact check Braverman's briefings because they are inaccurate when she speaks to her colleagues.

Perhaps they don't like working mothers - I've just read that Braverman has two children under four.

She often brings her children to local events. They are actually really nice children.

I've never seen anyone bothered by the fact she's a working mum.

In fact - she often takes them to try the local cakes which she always does and comments on (on FB so plenty of online evidence) how much they also enjoyed them.

There's certainly a theme with Tory's and cake Grin

CabernetSauvignon · 24/05/2023 09:33

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 20:42

CabernetSauvignon
On one of the few occasions when she represented the government in court she failed lamentably. Joshua Rosenberg's comment on it is very accurate

Not really - it depends on the purpose of her submission. Equally valid quotes here (including from the secret barrister and one of the lawyers quoted in your post above):
"... or an attempt at political point scoring"
"It is aimed at garnering media headlines"

I'm not getting your point. It was blatantly obvious that she only chose to bring this hopeless appeal and act as counsel as political point-scoring, and to try to get favourable media headlines. Does that make it any better? Should the relatives' hopes have been raised and dashed, and a hell of a lot of money wasted, just to enable her to try to improve her political profile?

As Rozenberg rightly pointed out, it was disgraceful that she chose to raise the family's hopes with something that was so obviously doomed to fail because her argument was utterly ridiculous.

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 09:36

@itsgettingweird - well they like to have their cake and eat yours!

CabernetSauvignon · 24/05/2023 09:38

It's been reported that Suella Braverman co-founded the Rwanda charity with Cherie Blair - presumably Cherie Blair thought Braverman was ok?

It would be fascinating to hear more from Cherie Blair now. I suspect she has a few stories to tell.

CabernetSauvignon · 24/05/2023 09:41

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:21

pointythings
just to pick you up on a point: Labour is not opposed to private schools

This is odd then;
Falconer applied to be the Labour candidate for the safe seat of Dudley North ahead of the 1997 general election, but he "fluffed" his interview with the Labour constituency committee by refusing to take his four children out of public schools.

A little hint for you. The word "is" denotes the present tense, i.e. what is happening now. Not what happened 26 years ago.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/05/2023 09:43

Roussette · Yesterday 15:14
lieselotte · Yesterday 14:31

This. Giving her a Cabinet job was a big mistake by Sunak.
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She told him she would drop out the leadership race if she got home sec job”

Plus she brings the votes of around 60 far right loons on the backbenches with her.

pointythings · 24/05/2023 10:30

@CabernetSauvignon isn't it beautiful when all the Tory fangirl squad have is attack material that's decades old? And diddly squat in defence of their own except 🎂.

TheHandmaiden · 24/05/2023 10:44

I quite liked Sunak's letter, which clearly states the reason he's kept her on (aside from the fact that the actual issue isn't serious enough);

It is vital that all those in government maintain the high standards the public rightly expects. I know you share this view, just as we are committed to delivering on the issues that matter to the British people - from making our streets safer and reducing net migration to stopping the boats.

There you are. A clear message to get on and deliver.

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